NFR Ukraine...Little Did I Know
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As one of those who had his post deleted, I can assure you there was NO sympathy towards Russia in that post.
My deleted post contained language concerning this that was not quite so eloquent...
MT_Flyfisher
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I don’t know about the whole world, but certainly a guy or two in Russia…
MT_Flyfisher
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I am including here a post that was just made from a frequent contributor on another fly fishing forum that I’m a member of. I haven’t read all of the prior posts here, but the idea of having a no-fly zone is a new one to me. I don’t know how this would be possible, but it is an interesting concept.
I’m not including the draft letter to the president and congressman that was included in this post, but you can get the gist of it:
I’m not including the draft letter to the president and congressman that was included in this post, but you can get the gist of it:
Old406Kid
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I have to wonder how many of the Russian soldiers might have relatives in Ukraine or just from a humanitarian standpoint are struggling to be there?
Or related, just how effective has Putin’s propaganda and misinformation been on troops and the Russian citizenry, and is it sustainable, especially as occupation may progress?
Cowlitz Bottomfeeder
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Send them everything they need weapons, munitions, and fuel. Set up a Go Fund Me. Food donations. Volunteers with skills like the Flying Tigers from WWII. Military field hospitals set up along the borders of NATO countries to treat casualties. Their people and their leaders have demonstrated the will to resist aggression. Show them we admire their determination.
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Had a friend, Alex, who I have not seen since leaving the bay area two decades ago, met when we were both working on a project to complete the new Chinese hospital in Chinatown. Alex came to the US from Moscow in his early 20's, worked his tail off and achieved success as a sheet metal contractor, just a great guy.
During the early 90's Alex asked me out to lunch, explained he and his Russian partner had just picked up a former Russian military machine shop for pennies, and was looking for products to make to sell in the US, did I have any ideas. My immediate suggestion was machined, disc drive fly reels size 1-3. So he had a call with the shop and I provided him with a reel from my own collection to bring over as a model. Doug Mateo, a friend who owned the now closed SF Fly shop was very interested in the distribution end if the reels landed, as he already had a network in place for selling his Bug Luggage to wholesalers.
So Alex flies to Russia, him and his partner drive several hours to the machine shop, perplexed there are no worker cars outside, walk into the large building and find every single machining tool had been hauled off. Alex soon learned the workers themselves had sold the machines to a private machine tool company.
Or as Alex put it wryly upon his return...'welcome to Russia'.
During the early 90's Alex asked me out to lunch, explained he and his Russian partner had just picked up a former Russian military machine shop for pennies, and was looking for products to make to sell in the US, did I have any ideas. My immediate suggestion was machined, disc drive fly reels size 1-3. So he had a call with the shop and I provided him with a reel from my own collection to bring over as a model. Doug Mateo, a friend who owned the now closed SF Fly shop was very interested in the distribution end if the reels landed, as he already had a network in place for selling his Bug Luggage to wholesalers.
So Alex flies to Russia, him and his partner drive several hours to the machine shop, perplexed there are no worker cars outside, walk into the large building and find every single machining tool had been hauled off. Alex soon learned the workers themselves had sold the machines to a private machine tool company.
Or as Alex put it wryly upon his return...'welcome to Russia'.
wanderingrichard
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1) its a shame its taken something like this to actually have CNN and our US media report the actual news for once.
2) try to watch the interview with former Ukrainian president Poroshenko. It will bring tears to your eyes.
2) try to watch the interview with former Ukrainian president Poroshenko. It will bring tears to your eyes.
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From a smart military blog yesterday...
"Okay. You launch fighters. Putin responds by moving in S-400 and S-500 air defenses to shoot them down. We now have to target those air defense to protect our jets. Russians warn if you do they will launch missiles against NATO airbases. What's your next move?"
Do we want all out war with Russia? I think the time to prevent this invasion has come and gone. Now we have to watch the consequences of mistakes and bad policies at all levels throughout multiple administrations over decades. Russia would lose an all out war eventually, their economy cant support it, unless China joined up. Now we have Axis 2.0, wars in Europe and Pacific WW3. I don't think China is that stupid they play the long game, they are thinking china 100 years + from now, but maybe nows the time? I dunno, it makes me sick this is all happening again in 2022. I have no doubt Russia would use nukes.
jaredoconnor
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I frequently watch Fox News videos, on YouTube, to see what propaganda they're pushing. I have been very surprised by their coverage of this crisis; they have given very little air time to the usual political point scoring characters. Those folks are definitely up to their usual bullshit though; I checked their Twitter accounts.
Unfortunately, I really doubt any of this is virtuous. My guess is that it is just bad for Murdoch's wallet, to let things go down that path.
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wanderingrichard
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Lol, Jared. I just saw your signature. wanker.
Honest, my personal network and I haven't been following the US media in a very long time. Since we've spent so many years overseas supporting military and humanitarian efforts, we've found Reuters, Deutche Welle, AFP , and a few Asian news sites to be more accurate and timely. None of us watch Fox anything.
And it was a surprise this morning to wake up and find our team mate, Clay, in Texas, telling us to tune into CNN. We'd given up on them over a decade ago when they'd had a major leadership change and started pushing out their experience and expertise in favor of a pro socialist agenda.
Honest, my personal network and I haven't been following the US media in a very long time. Since we've spent so many years overseas supporting military and humanitarian efforts, we've found Reuters, Deutche Welle, AFP , and a few Asian news sites to be more accurate and timely. None of us watch Fox anything.
And it was a surprise this morning to wake up and find our team mate, Clay, in Texas, telling us to tune into CNN. We'd given up on them over a decade ago when they'd had a major leadership change and started pushing out their experience and expertise in favor of a pro socialist agenda.
"The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride," Volodymyr Zelensky.
I seriously hope this one line goes down in history as one of the great inspiring lines of the century, a Churchillian "we shall fight them on the beaches..." sort of line.
I seriously hope this one line goes down in history as one of the great inspiring lines of the century, a Churchillian "we shall fight them on the beaches..." sort of line.
Rob Allen
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Science fiction writers seem to reflect this as an extraterrestrial opinion as well.
Since all Putins threats and nonsense began I never once believed that war with Russia was avoidable. I am ashamed that I was not this angry or concerned back in 2014.
We have 3 choices
1. Expel Russia from Ukraine
2. Accept Russian dominated Ukraine
3. Work within Russia to Instigate a rebellion against the Putin regime.
I prefer 1 or 3. 2 proves us to be the cowards Putin thinks we are and empowers all the other evil countries.
He'll. Number 2 option is the world bowing before Putin.
We already bowed to the Taliban.
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How Disastrous Would Disconnection From SWIFT Be for Russia?
Seven years after threats were first made to cut Russia off from SWIFT, how well is Russia prepared to cope with disconnection from Western payment systems?
Interesting overview re: SWIFT
jaredoconnor
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That's just how propaganda works, though. The people who believe the actions of Russia are justified aren't all bad people; they're brainwashed.
You don't need to go back very far in history (less than two decades) to see similar things happening in supposedly more civilized countries (US, UK, AU, etc).
On the flip side to your point, there is a hint of self righteousness in some posts here that makes me wonder if there's some cognitive dissonance going on (in consideration of our own countries histories).
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Vote for 3, I've been thinking hard about that what if.
Dustin Chromers
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We have a rich history of exploiting civil unrest abroad. Seems like the temperature is about right to do so in this situation. Besides it's way more PC to get a people to oust their leaders than it is to just off em.
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