Tuna 2022, let the games begin!

Just saw a picture of a yellowtail caught out of Westport on the interwebs…..
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Got a link? I did some digging and couldn't find it. Not doubting necessarily, since the first YT should be caught any day now. Just have seen jack mackerel mis-identified as YT more than once. Easy mistake since they look similar and are in fact a related species.

After @Evan B 's post last year on how well grilled jack mackerel tasted, I'm looking forward to getting a few myself. Might be a risky move, but the 6pc 8wt pack rod will be ready.
 
I’ve got two trips scheduled. The first in less than a week. Decided to tie up a few poppers/sliders in case the opportunity arises. I’ll tie one with a white/silver collar as well. Was not sure about the medium popper head size with 3/0 hooks but they seem to float fine…in the sink….with no ocean conditions to contend with :).

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Thanks @Stonedfish for the confirmation on the Yellowtail. No mistaking that beautiful fish for a jack mackerel.

Don't ignore those kelp patties, logs, or other floaty stuff out there!
 
Today was the first slower day we've had in quite a while, and naturally I had 4 very skilled fly anglers onboard who were ready to do some serious work. Still, we took advantage of the shots we had, fly guys again out fished one of our boats fishing bait, and I was witness to two of the most incredible fly eats I've ever seen on my boat. We ended up losing both fish but I'll replay watching those grabs for a long time to come
 
Today was the first slower day we've had in quite a while, and naturally I had 4 very skilled fly anglers onboard who were ready to do some serious work. Still, we took advantage of the shots we had, fly guys again out fished one of our boats fishing bait, and I was witness to two of the most incredible fly eats I've ever seen on my boat. We ended up losing both fish but I'll replay watching those grabs for a long time to come
Well I’m glad that one is in the books for now! Let’s just hope we will not see another of those this season. All I need is enough to try my luck at caning some tuna.
 
We f*cked em up pretty good today, as our skipper put it. 35 to the boat on a variety of methods. I got one on a cast and stripped fly. 2 hand strip to be precise. I also got to watch 2 fish eat the swim bait I was casting off the bow. We ended the day successfully running and gunning, no trolling, just cruising looking for fish and then throwing shit at them, and it worked! So fun. We ended our fishing 64 miles from port. Had to go lookin’. More deets later. 1B5E55E1-2CE7-48DE-BA30-2CF25A630BDD.jpeg
 
I came home from my long camping trip at Fort Stevens (Columbia River mouth) yesterday. Came reaaaaaaaaaally close to running for tuna again Monday, but getting a last minute crew together was proving a challenge, especially while I was mostly out of cell service unless I drove in to town. Got some abysmal reports out of CR for Sunday so bagged it and got home yesterday morning. Honestly kinda nice to arrive home and not have a bunch of tuna and a bloody boat to deal with after unloading all my camping gear from over a week away.

Sounds like Monday turned out pretty well for most boats. My September is filling up quickly, but really hoping to get my boat out there at least one more time before things blow out in October.
 
Got out yesterday with five fly guys out of Astoria, including @Slow_Floccer (good fishing with you) 14 fish in the boat, most on trolled flies but 4-5 on the handlines. Could not convert with stripped flies, or jigs. I kept running up front to throw a gurgler tied by @clarkman , but didn’t even get a look.

@Slow_Floccer seemed to have the hot rod of the day with the Seahawks fly, while yours truly got blanked.

The fish got even, though. First fish of the day, reel spinning, and the reel handle must have hit something and sheared right off. Second fish, and one of our sturdy glass rods grenaded in three places.

Ocean was perfect. I’ve been on lakes with more action. Saw some sunfish, some sharks, and a couple of sea lion getting it on in the blue water.

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Got out yesterday with five fly guys out of Astoria, including @Slow_Floccer (good fishing with you) 14 fish in the boat, most on trolled flies but 4-5 on the handlines. Could not convert with stripped flies, or jigs. I kept running up front to throw a gurgler tied by @clarkman , but didn’t even get a look.

@Slow_Floccer seemed to have the hot rod of the day with the Seahawks fly, while yours truly got blanked.

The fish got even, though. First fish of the day, reel spinning, and the reel handle must have hit something and sheared right off. Second fish, and one of our sturdy glass rods grenaded in three places.

Ocean was perfect. I’ve been on lakes with more action. Saw some sunfish, some sharks, and a couple of sea lion getting it on in the blue water.

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Wow, that's beaked whale and Kogia spotting water!!
 
Got out yesterday with five fly guys out of Astoria, including @Slow_Floccer (good fishing with you) 14 fish in the boat, most on trolled flies but 4-5 on the handlines. Could not convert with stripped flies, or jigs. I kept running up front to throw a gurgler tied by @clarkman , but didn’t even get a look.

@Slow_Floccer seemed to have the hot rod of the day with the Seahawks fly, while yours truly got blanked.

The fish got even, though. First fish of the day, reel spinning, and the reel handle must have hit something and sheared right off. Second fish, and one of our sturdy glass rods grenaded in three places.

Ocean was perfect. I’ve been on lakes with more action. Saw some sunfish, some sharks, and a couple of sea lion getting it on in the blue water.

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Pretty much what I was expecting it to look like out there based on the forecast. I really wanted to get out there, especially since I was right there at the Columbia Mouth... just couldn't pull it off. Glad some got to see it though! It's surreal being out there on the ocean when it's glassy like that. One of my favorite things.

It was like this on Sunday when I was out there for coho:
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I’ve got two trips scheduled. The first in less than a week. Decided to tie up a few poppers/sliders in case the opportunity arises. I’ll tie one with a white/silver collar as well. Was not sure about the medium popper head size with 3/0 hooks but they seem to float fine…in the sink….with no ocean conditions to contend with :).

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What are those, about 6 inches?
 
I figured I'd post up some more details from my trip yesterday on a private boat with a great crew and skipper--a mixed gear trip where I'd be the only one flinging flies this particular day. So for starting out, we had some intel from a couple places based on where a good bite was the previous day. It was around 40 miles from port and that's where we started, along with most of the rest of the fleet it seemed. We spent maybe an hour there trolling X-raps, clones and one fly. We were not seeing tuna and not liking the water color very much, and everyone else just appeared to keep trolling too which is not usually a good sign, when we finally saw some active birds and nervous water. We thought it might be a school of mackerel because it was not tuna, and tossed small and med-large live anchovies and a fly at the school, and nary a bite, we decided to stop screwing around, wasting time and go find fish and/or better water. Well, truly the skipper made that call. It was a good call.

Based on a few-day-old image (but I think the latest we could get from the Tuna Fishers NVS app?) we headed northwest a long long way and started to look around. Water looked a bit better (although we never did fish the true blue water as shown in Phil's pic above, skipper called it gray-blue but I wasn't sure how much of that was influenced by cloud cover, but it sure didn't look the color of Phil's pic), and we saw some active birds and started trolling. Within minutes we hooked up on an X-Rap and were able to get another fish on bait. A fish was lost, I forget why. We lost a lot of fish to various reasons and at this point they all kind of blend together. Reasons include overly tight drags, fish going under the boat and cutting the line on the bottom, fish just coming off for some frigging unknown reason, etc. That bite died and we picked up and trolled and soon hooked a fish on a clone, and then converted on the bait stop again. This pattern more or less continued for the day as we began really loading up on fish (and messing up a lot of gear that had to be quickly re-rigged). This is where having a great skipper and crew come in. There were six of us on board which is a lot of big dudes on a not enormous space after the giant cooler, quickly-filling kill bags, and bait live well. So it worked great to have people able to fill all the needed roles at the right time, whether that be heading and gutting fish, cleaning up, re-rigging gear, chumming, or actually fishing (and gaffing) while the bite is going. There's a lot going on.

Anyway, when we had a decent number of fish on board I started climbing to the bow more often to cast and strip flies. I was very happy with my new SA Titan Sonar Big Water Taper 600s line, which I picked up online for a nice discount. I was throwing that with a well-loved Sage Xi2 12 wt and getting 80 foot casts pretty reliably without any real issues, which puts you nicely in the right zone for this fishery. It helped that the ocean was nice, real nice. But, I wasn't getting bit when I was trolling a fly or casting from the front. I cycled through more flies on this trip than I think I ever have on a single tuna trip. In this case, I tried 4 patterns for the day, starting with one of my own and then going through fly swap flies from a swap from the former place.

Eventually we stopped trolling because 1) we were running low on bait/chum and 2) we didn't need to. We found that we were able to move to active fish/birds, slide in on 'em, throw sh*t at 'em, hook up and convert on various gear. Doing this from the bow with a swim bait is very fun my friends, very fun. I got a visual eat right in front of me on a swim bait that is burned in my brain up there with other tuna fly eats. Just....WHAM! Shake Shake Shake ZZZZZiiing! And, eventually persistence did pay off and I hooked a tuna on a swap fly tied by @jasmillo, casting it out of the bow, letting it sink for sec, then stripping it back. A two-handed strip in this case, which I've had a decent amount of success with for tuna now. I did not see the eat, but boy did I feel it! We landed that fish. It was a tussle and the deck was so busy with hooked fish in a cluster that I went over the roof, hopped onto the cooler and down, all while hooked up, in order to reach a viable gaff man on the other side from the cluster. Good sh*t. I'm smiling thinking about it. As the day grew older, some organized swells and light breeze chop developed on our chunk of the ocean; we were the only boat around and the radio was silent. At some point we looked at the time and our distance from port (64 miles back to to the bar!) and realized we needed to stop. We figured we were in the high twenties, low thirties on fish, which ended up being about right--we had 35. Skipper said the boat was riding super heavy back in. It was a pretty nice ride until close to home where a wind and the seas picked up a bit but what a day. What. A. Day.

Let's see, other things-- also saw porpoises, many mola mola, 3 humpback whales, a few blue sharks but not too many, several black-footed albatross and I believe petrels and shearwaters. Still not sure what that school of smaller fish were.

All stomach contents of tuna I saw were full of very small bait (like 1.5"), smaller than any flies we ever would think to use for tuna, or our anchovies. Oh yeah our two scoops of anchovies included at least one surf smelt, quite a few herring, and at least one Chinook(!).

One last thought--I think it really makes a ton of sense to have people fishing and/or able to fish all kinds of gear in this fishery, in order to maximize opportunity and the big investment in just getting out there and being ready to fish tuna. But, if 3 or 4 guys want to be able to cast flies at every stop, it makes it a lot harder due to needing to clear lines and put the rods down so people can fly cast off the deck at all. Something to think about for future charters and how bad people want to catch a tuna on a fly, and in what manner, versus get some groceries. It's nice to have a balance and I suspect the only way to make it feel truly balanced is to have a bunch of biting fish available.

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@Matt B you make a good point about FF versus gear. I'll admit I felt like I wasn't fully pulling my weight while I was dicking about with a popper while the rest of the team was on the fast sink lines.

My next FF trip, we'll need to figure out a surface vs deep rota.

Sounds like a damn fun trip. I really wanted to see whales. Maybe next month. Our guide said he was out a while back, and a group of humpbacks were circling bait and did that open mouth at the surface Wild Kingdom type thing. I would have died.
 
" One last thought--I think it really makes a ton of sense to have people fishing and/or able to fish all kinds of gear in this fishery, in order to maximize opportunity and the big investment in just getting out there and being ready to fish tuna. But, if 3 or 4 guys want to be able to cast flies at every stop, it makes it a lot harder due to needing to clear lines and put the rods down so people can fly cast off the deck at all. Something to think about for future charters and how bad people want to catch a tuna on a fly, and in what manner, versus get some groceries. It's nice to have a balance and I suspect the only way to make it feel truly balanced is to have a bunch of biting fish available. "

On our trips with Nick the days with good action there was no need to cast, most of the time we would just do a roll cast and let it sink by piling line above it as needed. Alot or only a little bit, start stiping some and fish on. As it slowed we would let them sink alot more and usually picked up 1 or 2 more, before going on the troll for 2 seconds and having another triple!

On the slower day we would cast up stream from a corner and let it sink and walk with it till the next corner and then start stripping it in as we went down the side.
We would rotate through and was easy for 3 people and with 4, but usually someone was up on the bow. Nick talked on that 1st epic day how much easier it was to follow the fish and crear up gear with the bug rods as most are using rods longer than the gear rods typically used.

Just some food for thought from only 3 trips, and everyday was different.
 
" One last thought--I think it really makes a ton of sense to have people fishing and/or able to fish all kinds of gear in this fishery, in order to maximize opportunity and the big investment in just getting out there and being ready to fish tuna. But, if 3 or 4 guys want to be able to cast flies at every stop, it makes it a lot harder due to needing to clear lines and put the rods down so people can fly cast off the deck at all. Something to think about for future charters and how bad people want to catch a tuna on a fly, and in what manner, versus get some groceries. It's nice to have a balance and I suspect the only way to make it feel truly balanced is to have a bunch of biting fish available. "

On our trips with Nick the days with good action there was no need to cast, most of the time we would just do a roll cast and let it sink by piling line above it as needed. Alot or only a little bit, start stiping some and fish on. As it slowed we would let them sink alot more and usually picked up 1 or 2 more, before going on the troll for 2 seconds and having another triple!

On the slower day we would cast up stream from a corner and let it sink and walk with it till the next corner and then start stripping it in as we went down the side.
We would rotate through and was easy for 3 people and with 4, but usually someone was up on the bow. Nick talked on that 1st epic day how much easier it was to follow the fish and crear up gear with the bug rods as most are using rods longer than the gear rods typically used.

Just some food for thought from only 3 trips, and everyday was different.
Sure, as long as you're hooking up why change anything? Makes sense. I just think that if you're trolling, and sometimes (a lot of times) you gotta troll, that it's not a bad idea to have variety in the spread other than just flies (unless flies are killing it) and to have somebody tossing out a live bait rod as soon as you stop, along with the chum.
 
Yeah fly gear is always present on my boat, but I'm to the point where I don't like to deploy it unless we get a REALLY good stop going, or the boxes are almost full. There were three of us on my boat last week, and one friend wanted to commit to the fly. After the third bait stop where I had piled on about six fish with my flatside jig and my other buddy 3 with the coltsniper jig, fly buddy was getting FOMO and realizing the missed opportunity. Even pulling his flies through a decent stop with breezers under the boat didn't get any action. He did finally get a few on the jig rods and realized how fun that is. It's quite possibly one of if not my favorite fishing I do.
 
Sure, as long as you're hooking up why change anything? Makes sense. I just think that if you're trolling, and sometimes (a lot of times) you gotta troll, that it's not a bad idea to have variety in the spread other than just flies (unless flies are killing it) and to have somebody tossing out a live bait rod as soon as you stop, along with the chum.


I dont disagree except that I can say with absolute certainty that a full fly spread out fishes a full gear spread 7 days a week on my boat. I am one hundred percent convinced at this point that it's just plain more effective. Day in, day out it keeps proving itself. Bait is king overall IMO, for sheer efficiency especially, but when it comes to trolling and just hooking fish, give me flies any day.

I find a mix of gear/fly to be more difficult in many cases, and especially so for fly folks. There is just so much going on as mentioned that it can be hard to get in there and cast. I've done a handful of mixed gear trips and I've come to the conclusion that if someone wants to get them fly fishing they are better off committing to just flies. If they want to fish gear, fish gear. I don't believe that mixing it up is ultra effective for either side. But that's just me.

Fly fished the last two days. Yesterday was a lake, and not red hot fishing but we still got more fish than several boats. Today the ocean was a hot mess. The worst fly conditions I've ever dealt with. And we did better, and again put up better numbers than several. Luckily I had very skilled anglers onboard or else today would not have gone well.

Fly fishing again tomorrow with a couple forum members.
 
Yeah I honestly haven't trolled flies much on my boat. Did it one day and decided it was a hassle to clear rods with fly rods taking so long to get out of the way. But I'm still open to learning a system that works.

But I've plugged my boat the last four trips I've taken on my own. So I don't need more fish per se, just like learning new stuff
 
I dont disagree except that I can say with absolute certainty that a full fly spread out fishes a full gear spread 7 days a week on my boat. I am one hundred percent convinced at this point that it's just plain more effective. Day in, day out it keeps proving itself. Bait is king overall IMO, for sheer efficiency especially, but when it comes to trolling and just hooking fish, give me flies any day.

I find a mix of gear/fly to be more difficult in many cases, and especially so for fly folks. There is just so much going on as mentioned that it can be hard to get in there and cast. I've done a handful of mixed gear trips and I've come to the conclusion that if someone wants to get them fly fishing they are better off committing to just flies. If they want to fish gear, fish gear. I don't believe that mixing it up is ultra effective for either side. But that's just me.

Fly fished the last two days. Yesterday was a lake, and not red hot fishing but we still got more fish than several boats. Today the ocean was a hot mess. The worst fly conditions I've ever dealt with. And we did better, and again put up better numbers than several. Luckily I had very skilled anglers onboard or else today would not have gone well.

Fly fishing again tomorrow with a couple forum members.
You have a bazillion more data points than I so I obviously defer but my fly in the troll spread only ever got one whack on the slide after another hookup on either an x-rap or clone, but it did not stick.

Do you think it helps to have a fish hooked, in order to hook more fish? Not necessarily “hanging” them but just keeping things going? And sometimes bait is going to outfish flies on a stop?

Also it just seems like those x-raps are down there working for you in a different way than anything else does. They can be kind of a pain, especially if there’s junk in the water. What do you think?
 
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