HauntedByWaters
Life of the Party
I agree to some extent but have to point out that Salmon G and others sure changed their tune a bit after they retired.
Snohomish/Skykomish get screwed
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I agree to some extent but have to point out that Salmon G and others sure changed their tune a bit after they retired.
GOTY
Steelhead
Another reason for the limited impacts available on wild Snohomish Chinook is that it is anticipated Canadian-directed fisheries will have a higher catch level of Snohomish-bound Chinook in 2023 according to the Pacific Salmon Treaty between the governments of Canada and the United States.
Canada has a larger Chinook catch limit in 2023 relative to 2022 because of increased returns of Columbia River Chinook, as well as Puget Sound and Canadian Chinook stock abundances. WDFW fishery managers project that Canadian and southern United States fisheries are expected to have a higher catch level on Snohomish Chinook than in 2022
Phew! For a second I was worried that another country's commercial fleet wasn't going to get to fish for them either. Tight lines, Canada!
Canada has a larger Chinook catch limit in 2023 relative to 2022 because of increased returns of Columbia River Chinook, as well as Puget Sound and Canadian Chinook stock abundances. WDFW fishery managers project that Canadian and southern United States fisheries are expected to have a higher catch level on Snohomish Chinook than in 2022
Phew! For a second I was worried that another country's commercial fleet wasn't going to get to fish for them either. Tight lines, Canada!
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HauntedByWaters
Life of the Party
A lot of folks on these fishing boards work for the government so when posts get critical of agencies they take it personal.
Yeah, who but a government employee could possibly take "Communist/Evil tree huggers" personally?
Dustin Chromers
Legend
Dude, everybody needs to seriously chill out. It's a pink year and the dosewallips will be off the chain. If you need me I'll be rustling redds with the heads in the sun having fun. All is well. There's a river full of salmon and no people on it. Live the dream. There's plenty for all comrades.
Comrades? Spoken like a true pinko! No wonder you’re after the pink salmon, ya commie!
Seriously, though, I agree with you. There's enough shit and crazy in the world as it is, let's let fishing be a refuge from all the blamethrowing. There are brilliant minds and dullards on either side of any debate, and no side is all the way correct. So what if we stopped pointing fingers with our hands and instead lent to helping?
Conservation of our treasured fish should be a priority for all, and it's undeniable that their numbers are far below where they were even 15 years ago, which is nowhere near what they were 30, etc. Seems like we should all be in favor of growing populations, and anyone on the side of more fish is ultimately on the side of anglers. Can't fish the Elwha right now, and I will never be able to fish Lake Mills again, but I think in 10 years time we anglers will be better off for the removal of those dams.
JayB
Life of the Party
Interesting contemplating how far I'd have to drive just to practice spey casting with the big rod on moving water on the east side of the PS this this year. Outside of the Sky hatchery zone seems like it'd be a bit of a haul. Might be time to make one of those special leaders that let you load the road while casting on grass...
speedbird
Life of the Party
Not sure what the tribes have to do with this if 85% of chinook encounters are in the rec fishery and if the trigger for the closure was non tribal Canadian fishermen getting a higher quota
speedbird
Life of the Party
If Canada gets to increase their allowable impacts, how come we don’t? Or did our impacts all go to the offshore fishery? If I had understood that a higher offshore fishing quota would decrease the Puget Sound and in river quota I wouldn’t have commented in favor of it, but I wasn’t presented that information in the wdfw email
charles sullivan
Life of the Party
I could see this actually being a help to in-river fishermen, especially on the Skagit. I would say that the issue that WDFW has had is that it is so responsive to the PS salt water salmon anglers. It is the difficulty in permitting Puget Sound salt water fisheries that hands the power to the tribes. If the department gave up on salt water salmon fisheries, the tribes power would shrink to next to nothing.
charles sullivan
Life of the Party
Much of the regulatory framework of salmon harvest can seem as ass backwards as western water rights law. In fact, both are influenced from laws and treaties from so long ago that it is silly that they are even still relevant. While it's easy to throw stones at whomever you deem to be a communist tree hugger, the bigger issue may be that in both cases the historic stakeholders (rarely communist or treehuggers) are the parties that keep any sort modernization of the management paradigm from happening. This is true of managing both water and fish.
speedbird
Life of the Party
I never had the urge to do this before but I may summer steelhead float fish on the snohomish in august and early September. Pink jig under a bobber seems legit to me, and considering how wildly unlikely it is I’ll hook into a Chinook and eat up impacts I’d do it with a clean conscious too. I’ll have to look up if there are any pink steelhead flies used in the summer…
SeaRunner
Steelhead
I find WDFW's explanation for Snohomish Chinook to be confusing, specifically this line regarding Canadian fisheries:
"Another reason for the limited impacts available on wild Snohomish Chinook is that it is anticipated Canadian-directed fisheries will have a higher catch level of Snohomish-bound Chinook in 2023 according to the Pacific Salmon Treaty between the governments of Canada and the United States."
The 2022 Chinook Management Plan is quite clear that the 20% total ER rate can be exceeded in years with higher expected northern fishery impacts. So as I read the plan, the only firm exploitation number is the SUS ER . If that is the case, how do Canadian fisheries play into it?
"Another reason for the limited impacts available on wild Snohomish Chinook is that it is anticipated Canadian-directed fisheries will have a higher catch level of Snohomish-bound Chinook in 2023 according to the Pacific Salmon Treaty between the governments of Canada and the United States."
The 2022 Chinook Management Plan is quite clear that the 20% total ER rate can be exceeded in years with higher expected northern fishery impacts. So as I read the plan, the only firm exploitation number is the SUS ER . If that is the case, how do Canadian fisheries play into it?
I’m just trying to understand this…Is there a concern of catching wild fall Snoqualmie Chinook, in the Skykomish in a spring and early summer fishery? Like is that actually a thing? I understand closing the snohomish, just trying to learn the justification of closing the sky.
speedbird
Life of the Party
I imagine the Snoqualmie Falls are ending up in the Skykomish as fairly frequent strays. As for the logic behind closing a Summer fishery to protect Fall run fish:
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To be fair—Run timing is somewhat fluid and can be protracted. Snoqualmie Chinook regularly start showing up in the Snoqualmie River in mid-August.
There will be a non-treaty recreational fishery for as long as the treaty tribes get their fishery and the recreational sector does not get in their way. Yes, WDFW has done just about everything it can to make itself irrelevant to salmon and steelhead management. I find it galling that we still pay them for it when it's perfectly obvious who is calling the shots.
If this was meant as a reference to me, how has my tune changed? I am pro-fish and think I have always been an equal opportunity critic. I have always praised the agencies for what they do well and criticized them for any mis-feasance, mal-feasance, and non-feasance of duty.