HauntedByWaters
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My personal perception, which doesn’t mean squat, was that after you retired you got more critical of WDFW. It was especially apparent when the summer fishery on the Stilly closed. It seemed that way to me.
Snohomish/Skykomish get screwed
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My personal perception, which doesn’t mean squat, was that after you retired you got more critical of WDFW. It was especially apparent when the summer fishery on the Stilly closed. It seemed that way to me.
I've become more critical of WDFW because the agency has become less responsive to its taxpaying and license buying constituents. The Department will not advocate on behalf of recreational anglers with the treaty tribes, as in the case on the Stilly. I haven't even fished the Stilly in years, but it irks me that WDFW throws sport fishing under the bus. It's coincidental that this trend has steepened since I retired. It's probably not coincidental that this trend occurs with Susewind as Director. BTW, I never worked for WDFW, not that it matters.
GOTY
Steelhead
SE AK salmon fishery at risk now from a lawsuit.
Next time someone low holes me on a river I'm going to sue them.
www.ktoo.org
Next time someone low holes me on a river I'm going to sue them.
Southeast Alaska king salmon fishery is in limbo after orca lawsuit rulings and appeals
A federal judge in Washington state issued a ruling this week that threatens to shut down trolling for king salmon in Southeast Alaska this summer.
www.ktoo.org
speedbird
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I’ve heard that 90% of all salmon caught in that fishery are not from Alaska, IMO I support shutting it down or restricting it if that is true. I can believe it, as Chinook and Coho are known for staying closer to the coast than the other threeSE AK salmon fishery at risk now from a lawsuit.
Next time someone low holes me on a river I'm going to sue them.
Southeast Alaska king salmon fishery is in limbo after orca lawsuit rulings and appeals
A federal judge in Washington state issued a ruling this week that threatens to shut down trolling for king salmon in Southeast Alaska this summer.
But it’s a loss to the people who have been doing this fishery or participating in this fishery for multiple generations.
It was a loss to multiple generations of the Genghis Khan clan when they had to stop raiding, pillaging, and plundering.
It was a loss to multiple generations of the Genghis Khan clan when they had to stop raiding, pillaging, and plundering.
Dr. Magill
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Eat some organic seaweed
You’ll get them back
What about non-organic seaweed?
Dr. Magill
Life of the Party
https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulat...sh-system-closed-until-further-notice-2023-05
Looks like WDFW put the whole system in shutdown mode, outside of that 3 day fishery memorial day weekend. Just a small stretch of the upper river open for the few summer runs that are left.
Looks like WDFW put the whole system in shutdown mode, outside of that 3 day fishery memorial day weekend. Just a small stretch of the upper river open for the few summer runs that are left.
Somehow everyone misses that after the initial 3 day opening the Chinook encounters will be evaluated and additional opening will be scheduled if available impacts remain. Given the number of allowed impacts (6 Chinook) I would expect those 3-day openings continue for several weeks; potentially through most of June.
A bigger question in my mind is whether those impacts are being best used to maximize recreational days on the water. Certainly it provides the best opportunity for the guides and other boat anglers is the season as designed but I wonder if wider game fish opportunities would have been be a wiser use of those impacts. Of course with no one at the NOF discussion represented those that fish the river so we were left with WDFW to make the decision on what was the best use of those impacts.
Curt
A bigger question in my mind is whether those impacts are being best used to maximize recreational days on the water. Certainly it provides the best opportunity for the guides and other boat anglers is the season as designed but I wonder if wider game fish opportunities would have been be a wiser use of those impacts. Of course with no one at the NOF discussion represented those that fish the river so we were left with WDFW to make the decision on what was the best use of those impacts.
Curt
JACKspASS
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Join me at the Sultan boat launch memorial day weekend for the inaugural TheSkyisFalling.org shout-athon and we'll fight to maximize our sport fishing seasons. Bring signs, banners, drones with banners, clown customes, and anything to get the attention of the media, clothes are optional...
I love wild fish and want to see them flourish, but JFC, I want to fish also! Given the state of the ocean, habitat, and destruction of the natural resources, expecting sustainable fish runs in this climate is hilarious. We are going to have to find a way to manufacture fisheries with hatcheries to have meaningful fisheries anymore in MOST, not all watersheds. As humans, we manage and regulate everything anymore to fit our needs, thinking that salmon and steelhead will do that on their own after we have manipulated every aspect of their environment is foolish
I love wild fish and want to see them flourish, but JFC, I want to fish also! Given the state of the ocean, habitat, and destruction of the natural resources, expecting sustainable fish runs in this climate is hilarious. We are going to have to find a way to manufacture fisheries with hatcheries to have meaningful fisheries anymore in MOST, not all watersheds. As humans, we manage and regulate everything anymore to fit our needs, thinking that salmon and steelhead will do that on their own after we have manipulated every aspect of their environment is foolish
the_chemist
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Oof. This one hurts.
Shocked!
speedbird
Life of the Party
Interesting to note: For the first time in however many years, we are going to be allowed to harvest Hatchery Chinook on the Snohomish. It will probably be an awful opportunity seeing as the only hatchery fish in the system are summer runs, but I’ve seen big hatchery Kings in the Snohomish as late as September 1st, so you never know
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the_chemist
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Does anyone know the long term planting goal numbers for the sky (steelhead & chinook).
For steelhead, I know this is the last year for the switch to the naturalized, south fork brood stock. In 2021 they only planted 50k. Ling term, are they looking to plant 100k smolt? More, less? It's crazy how fast the productivity that river dropped off. I'm also under the impression the reduced plants are to mitigate potential lawsuits but also maybe just funding?
For steelhead, I know this is the last year for the switch to the naturalized, south fork brood stock. In 2021 they only planted 50k. Ling term, are they looking to plant 100k smolt? More, less? It's crazy how fast the productivity that river dropped off. I'm also under the impression the reduced plants are to mitigate potential lawsuits but also maybe just funding?
From the 2023 Future Brood Document (FBD), a pre-season planning document coordinated between WDFW, NWIFC, Ps, Washington coastal, and Columbia River treaty tribes and USFWS the Wallace hatchery is schedule to take 8.5 million Chinook eggs (summer stock). 5.15 million green eggs will be shipped to Bernie Gobin Hatchery (Tulalip) with an additional 32,000 juveniles to shipped later. The target release on site (juveniles and yearlings) is 2.8 million. This whole Chinook program was increased as part of the effort to provide additional Chinook for the SRKWs and the managers hope to meet those production goal this year.
For Snohomish hatchery winter steelhead (early timed) the FBD calls for 27,600 smolts to be released from the Wallace, 74,000 from Tokul Creek and 140,000 from Reiter (basin total 241,600). For summer steelhead the target is 116,000 smolts released from Reiter. For comparison in 2022 steelhead smolt release report on the Snohomish basin the winter run release for the Wallace was 27,248, Tokul Creek 74,621, and Reiter 108,181 for a basin total of 210.050 with the majority of the shortage coming from the Reiter releases.
Hope the above is adequate. If not you probably need to contact WDFW with a more detailed request.
Curt
For Snohomish hatchery winter steelhead (early timed) the FBD calls for 27,600 smolts to be released from the Wallace, 74,000 from Tokul Creek and 140,000 from Reiter (basin total 241,600). For summer steelhead the target is 116,000 smolts released from Reiter. For comparison in 2022 steelhead smolt release report on the Snohomish basin the winter run release for the Wallace was 27,248, Tokul Creek 74,621, and Reiter 108,181 for a basin total of 210.050 with the majority of the shortage coming from the Reiter releases.
Hope the above is adequate. If not you probably need to contact WDFW with a more detailed request.
Curt
