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A followup to today's severe weather setup in Oregon and Washington. This is a copy/paste from Dr. John Monteverdi (retired Meteorology prof) who's the administrator of a weather group I belong to. John (he's in his early 70's) and other long time forecasters and scientists cannot recall models reflecting severe hail potential like what is being forecast for this afternoon/evening. Folks that live in the Great Plains are used to this during the Spring - West Coasters, not so much. Once hail reaches golf ball size, it hurts when it hits you (don't ask how I know) and it damages cars, vegetation, roofs, etc. If you haven't already, set your smart phones to alert you when a severe or tornado warned thunderstorm is in the vicinity and pay attention to the sky.

John Monteverdi
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This is a first in my experience. The NAM-3km is outlooking some values of CAPE that would be large even in the Great Plains. I don't know how realistic those values are for tomorrow afternoon along the I5 corridor from central Oregon to south of Olympia, but even half those values plus the shear induced upward pressure forces would give very large (golf ball) hail.

So I have never seen SPC stick a SIG HAIL on the West Coast. And that includes a 10% risk for hail 2" in diameter and larger.
But that's what the forecast soundings show (as well as a tornado risk). So kudos to someone at SPC who knows how to evaluate shear profiles and buoyancy structure and doesn't say "...but those don't happen on the West Coast..."
When I first got to Kansas, a fellow was driving me around, showing me places to live. He looked in the sky, saw the black clouds and stated, uh, oh, hail.... Growing up in Montreal, then years in Vancouver (BC that is), I thought, what's the big deal? Then I started noticing saucer sized dents on the hoods of cars - Hail ... Largest I saw during my time in Kansas was almost softball size - you do not want to be hit by one of those.

Stay safe folks!!!
 
My garage is full of boats and shop tools. I would look for some large trees to park the truck and cars under, except the high winds forecast could mean some blow down. Where to go?
 
First world problems...
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In hail prone areas, folks fill up underground parking, and otherwise covered public lots pretty quickly. Look for a multi level parking lot...if you're really concerned.
Or put the boats outside.
There's actual hail blankets sold for covering vehicles, and some folks use heavy towels to cover the vehicle, especially the windows
 
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Important to note that the tornados and hail aren't certain...


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Everyone okay? Any quarter sized hail yet?
 
I remember when I was a kid, had a huge hailstorm during a tornado outbreak when we lived in Kansas. After it was all over with we went outside (down in the basement/ tornado bunker during the storm) and all the cars had broken/ cracked windshields, lots of houses had broken windows, shit all over the roads, dented cars, swingset blew over. We weren't in an actual tornado, just a big ass t-storm.

Some cool things going on in the sky right now...



 
It looks like it’s fizzling on the Oregon side. There has been too much cloudiness in the Willamette Valley which has tamped down instability. We did have some thunder and heavy rain on the coast. It still looks active on the Washington side.
 
The sleeping bag is to protect the marbled murrelets nesting there.
Rumor has it Old Man Jim is buried up there, sorta Viking Style, in a thick layer of rooftop peat surrounded by his various things, the vellum of an ancient WA state Delorme Gazzeteer, a laptop with dubious wifi, several 4 weights. A North Seattle version of a Scandinavian Bog Man
 
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That was fun. The front rolled thru South King County from 7 to 8 pm. Lots of lighting, many times less than 2 minutes away. Thunder was magnificent too. Lots of long rumblings. Luv that!

Now nothing.

Now back to regular programming...
 
That was fun. The front rolled thru South King County from 7 to 8 pm. Lots of lighting, many times less than 2 minutes away. Thunder was magnificent too. Lots of long rumblings. Luv that!

Now nothing.

Now back to regular programming...

Looks like more on the way.
SF

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Forecasting weather is hard :LOL:. It takes 4 ingredients to make a severe thunderstorm: moisture, instability, a lifting mechanism, and shear (change of wind direction with height). The early afternoon clouds and rain showers gobbled up the instability that was needed to fire off the severe storms that were forecast later in the afternoon. Had that not occurred, the outcome might have been different. As a waterfowl biometrics guy once told me: all models are flawed, some models are useful.
 
See now this surprises me, I figure by March, there'd be so much Sphagnum moss layered up top, your vehicle would be a fantastic landing mat for any hail nuggets.
The sleeping bag is to protect the marbled murrelets nesting there.

You two are just jealous of my rigs ability to foster wildlife and grow things. 😂
SF

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