How did you end up in your career?

speedbird

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I am extremely fortunate to have come directly out of college making good money, even if it is work I do not necessarily love or feel passionate about. I ended up struggling to make connections in the Marine Bio world, I would argue largely due some of my own bad choices. For now I am sticking with the job but I doubt I will be for long. It's very much not a 9-5 industry, and while I am working 40-50 hours a week depending on what's going on waking up at 4 everyday, and coming home exhausted has taken its toll. I don't know if there needs to be a mentality shift in me that will find a way to make time for joy while working, or if I truly am in the wrong job. I am curious about the stories of folks here, and how they ended up choosing a career for themselves.
 
I am extremely fortunate to have come directly out of college making good money, even if it is work I do not necessarily love or feel passionate about. I ended up struggling to make connections in the Marine Bio world, I would argue largely due some of my own bad choices. For now I am sticking with the job but I doubt I will be for long. It's very much not a 9-5 industry, and while I am working 40-50 hours a week depending on what's going on waking up at 4 everyday, and coming home exhausted has taken its toll. I don't know if there needs to be a mentality shift in me that will find a way to make time for joy while working, or if I truly am in the wrong job. I am curious about the stories of folks here, and how they ended up choosing a career for themselves.
You might be in the wrong job…I had my own business for three decades, worked 60-70 hours a week…and loved going to work (which is key to longevity)…
 
I worked through high school and college in the restaurant biz and drank myself out of a career. Couldn't figure out what to do as a polysci major from UW so went and took some tests with a career advisor at Renton Voc Tech and came up with surveying. Loved it!! Got my PLS 8 years after the 2.5 years at Renton. Lot of 50+ hour weeks my whole life, until I got to teaching. Lost job in '08 housing bust but landed at the College and teaching has been great. Been really blessed to get to do stuff I enjoyed for a living. Gonna retire in June though!!!
 
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Sorry to hear you're struggling, I've seen this in many people in my life. There isn't just one path out, be open to all options.

I stumbled blindly into my career as a science teacher. I was working as a biochemical research scientist at UW Medicine. I like it well enough but the pay wasn't great and I didn't really have a desire to climb that ladder, but had no clue what else I would do. Because the pay wasn't great and we were young people in Seattle renting, I was frequently looking for little side gigs for extra cash.

One day I saw a flyer looking for people to lead biodiversity field trips for BIO 180 students. I inquired and was told that I needed to submit a field trip proposal: where, when, and what would students learn. Doing this hobby, I decided to take them to the Snoqualmie river and collect aquatic insects from 3 different elevations to show a variety of habitats and insect types. I led 37 students over 4 trips and really enjoyed it. I would wader up and go in the river and collect sample with nets and toss them in containers then students would take them out to examine with loupes, photograph, and classify them by order.

Students had to give feedback on the trip as a part of their grade. I got a lot of positive notes like:
I only picked this because the other ones were full and I thought this would be boring, but it was actually a lot of fun.
And
The instructor made this trip super interesting and enjoyable with how excited he was to show us something he liked.

Shortly after that I thought about the possibility of being a teacher for the first time in my life. I found a high school and volunteered in a classroom for a couple of months to see if it would be for me then I applied to grad school and off I went. Now I'm at 5 years teaching 7th and 8th grade science and 5 more teaching high school biology. It's the hardest job I've ever had but it's often fun and nearly always fulfilling. It also paid better than working at UW Med.
 
Longish story. I wanted to go into science, most likely fisheries or marine biology, but am interested in everything from geology to astronomy. Things didn't quite work out that way.

Problem was, even though I breezed through classes that interested me, those that didn't were extremely difficult to focus. The other issue was I couldn't commit to a "9-5" salary career. I saw what it did to my Dad as a mechanical engineer. He was seldom home and stressed/exhausted when he was.

So, I can blame shitty grades, but really didn't have the drive to pursue something that would prevent me from pursuing other interests, some of which had income potential (or so I thought).

Anyway, I got started in electronics by joining the Air Nat'l Guard back in the early 80's. After a string of technician and field service jobs, I now work a 12 hour shift compressed workweek in a semiconductor fab that was a former customer.

I troubleshoot, calibrate and perform maintenance on the Photo Lithography systems that put circuit patterns on micro chips. It's not glamorous, but pays well, is continuously challenging, and I have alternating 3 and 4 day weekends.

And in a weird, roundabout way, I sometimes even get to apply my amateur interest in science - given the complexity of these systems:

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What a great topic!
I often look at all of the different career paths that people are in and wonder how they got there and if they are happy.
One thing that I wish high schools would spend more time on is career counseling.
I spent my first year at Bozeman in mechanical engineering but couldn't see myself doing that. Screwed around for a year and went into the Air Force in '68 as an Autopilot, Flight Control Specialist, I was good at the job but couldn't wait to get out.
I enrolled at Eastern MT College, now MSU Billings and took an aptitude test. I scored the highest in being a senior CPA so I enrolled in accounting classes and found out that it was probably the farthest from anything that I would ever want to do.
I bounced around a lot of jobs, to numerous to mention, but at the end of the day framing houses was the most rewarding for me which eventually led me to having my own successful business as a residential contractor.
I often look back at it today and I think I would still make the same choice.
 
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What a great topic!
I often look at all of the different career paths that people are in and wonder how they got there and if they are happy.
One thing that I wish high schools would spend more time on is career counseling.
I spent my first year at Bozeman in mechanical engineering but couldn't see myself doing that. Screwed around for a year and went into the Air Force in '68 as an Autopilot, Flight Control Specialist, I was good at the job but couldn't wait to get out.
I enrolled at Eastern MT College, now MSU Billings and took an aptitude test. I scored the highest in being a senior CPA so I enrolled in accounting classes and found out that it was probably the farthest thing that I would ever want to do.
I bounced around a lot of jobs, to numerous to mention, but at the end of the day framing houses was the most rewarding for me which eventually led me to having my own successful business as a residential contractor.
I often look back at it today and I think I would still make the same choice.
I can confirm that all high school students at my schools have received and been taught how to use a multitude of career exploration tools as well as have access to aptitude testing. The state requires students completing career connections work for graduation. We have college, technical school, skilled trade apprenticeship, and career fairs during and outside of school hours.
 
For me, I started out with the intent on going into fisheries biology. Straight out of college, I worked for a summer plus for ODFW, bottom of the barrel type of stuff and everyone I talked to from my level on up seemed to really hate their job, but were in it for the long haul for the benefits. I quickly decided that wasn't for me. I then went into preclinical biomedical research where the pay still wasn't all that great and the hours were long (at least in most of the various labs I worked in). After 20ish years in that, I got burnt out and quit, did my own eBay thing for a bit, but quickly realized how much I hated that, even though I was relatively good at it....worked at a fly shop for a bit, then back to research (was a casualty there due to COVID/office politics---no, I won't go into detail there). Ultimately ended up working on the clinical side of cancer research. I absolutely love it because we're seeing real time effects on people's lives. Pay is much better (still not optimal, but beggars can't be choosers all the time, right?) but I absolutely love my job and I love my team....that's HUGE. It took me a while (and maybe a round about way) of getting there, but I'm glad I'm where I'm at.
 
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I am extremely fortunate to have come directly out of college making good money, even if it is work I do not necessarily love or feel passionate about. I ended up struggling to make connections in the Marine Bio world, I would argue largely due some of my own bad choices. For now I am sticking with the job but I doubt I will be for long. It's very much not a 9-5 industry, and while I am working 40-50 hours a week depending on what's going on waking up at 4 everyday, and coming home exhausted has taken its toll. I don't know if there needs to be a mentality shift in me that will find a way to make time for joy while working, or if I truly am in the wrong job. I am curious about the stories of folks here, and how they ended up choosing a career for themselves.
We've communicated a bit about the marine bio world. Obviously no need to respond - here or privately - but I'm curious what your "own bad choices" are/were?

If you're making good money straight out of college you're well ahead of any marine biologists I know (except the Big Otter people who are cruising around in their mega yachts and private jets).
 
I studied water resources through a civil engineering degree at UW. I worked a year at King County and could see the inefficiencies, tolerated (often promoted) incompetence as well as terrible internal politics and got out ASAP. I got my MS in civil engineering doing hydrology work for my thesis and also studied fish passage.

After my grad work I moved to Anchorage without a job because I wanted to live in Alaska. I made cold calls and got a job at a consulting firm and stayed there seven years getting my engineer's license and some good experience while doing that. I then moved to small town in southeast Alaska as a city engineer at 33. After a couple years of that, I moved to a smaller town on another island and hung out my own shingle 25 years ago doing consulting with a PC and dial up connection and the field gear I had.

I have traveled all over the state for my work, and have used all sorts of transportation doing so, floatplanes, ski planes, jets. helicopters, boats, skis, snowmachines, and my own two feet. I've had good adventure and challenging and diverse work.

I've also had down times and took advantage of the free time to pursue hunting, fishing, wilderness exploration and travel. And I've had down times where I hardly had enough money to go fishing locally and eat and pay my bills.

Overall, I am satisfied. Friends who stayed in the city did a lot better financially but I think they aren't so happy and some don't seem to have good health which I attribute in part to their stressful, hectic lives.

It has certainly not been easy and I definitely could've made a lot more money if I'd stayed in the big city. But to me, big city life or suburbia just plain sucks. So, I "use" the city for its amenities and culture from time to time but live where I can look out my window at otters, whales and bears.

Many people have told me I am lucky. I always correct them and say "No. I chose to do this. I am not lucky, other than having the health to do so, I am fortunate."

I don't know how my experience might relate to you, but for me going to a place I wanted to be was crucial for happiness. If I could make any recommendation it would be go where you want to be and do you want to as best you can, eventually you'll figure it out. Keep options open and explore ideas from others. I think staying at a place and/or job that makes one weary is not good for anyone. I work with and know many fisheries biologists and most I know started out not making a lot but having great experiences in wild places doing field work. Eventually most moved to the office. Some elected to forgo promotions and stayed as field techs. These aren't marine biologists but perhaps this is still somewhat relevant to you.

I understand family may make some options infeasible. If you are single and young, I'd do your best to live where you want to and pursue your dream, and don't let a bigger paycheck initially sway you too much, especially if it takes you away from where you want to be/what you want to do. Also, I'd do my best to avoid debt. Drive old beaters, live frugally, and make do.

This is just my experience and it may not apply well to you, or even apply at all, but perhaps something I wrote will be useful to you or help inspire constructive thoughts.

Best of luck to you speedbird!
 
You seem smart. Maybe go get an environmental engineering degree. We need more engineers who understand biological/ecological/habitat connections.

Better yet, go infiltrate the civil engineers with your environmental values.

Edit: interesting synergistic post from @Pescaphile above!
 
We've communicated a bit about the marine bio world. Obviously no need to respond - here or privately - but I'm curious what your "own bad choices" are/were?

If you're making good money straight out of college you're well ahead of any marine biologists I know (except the Big Otter people who are cruising around in their mega yachts and private jets).
Just not working hard enough to make connections. I’m working in a different field that I’m a lot less passionate about. Happy to share more over DM, I didn’t want to make the post too much about me complaining about my own job so I kept that part brief.

I’m currently a field engineer at a construction company
 
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Just finished my fourth week of being a stay at home dad while my son gets settled in at kindergarten. It's a bit of an adjustment not having a "career" at the moment. I've been doing manual labor since I was 16 years old. My dad was a carpenter and my grandpa was an iron worker. Both of them said not to do either one of those. They said go to college and if I was going to pick a trade either an elevator mechanic or electrician was the way to go. Went to UW and took all kinds of classes. The only thing that interested me somewhat was GIS. I got a GIS degree but was working as a laborer during the summers. When I got out jobs were hard to find so I was a laborer for a few years. I knew that wasn't a long term career. I took a contract job with Google maps and after two years I knew all day in front of a computer wasn't for me. Then in 2013 I got into the electricians union. I don't hate it but I need to be doing something interesting. I couldn't rough in an apartment high rise. The longer I do the more boring it becomes and the more my body hurts. With my time off I'm feeling a lot better. I'm in a similar boat as @speedbird wondering what I might do in the future.
 
After a stint in the USAF in my early 20's was on the harbormaster staff at Half Moon Bay, Ca, and then got my skipper license and ran a 65' charter boat. Took winters off to surf travel.
At 29 with first kid arrived, transitioned to stationary engineer, worked in several hospitals to gain experience and then was hired as chief engineer in a SF medical school where I worked myself up to VP for operations. Great job, really enjoyed the work and the students, by year ten had 4 paid weeks of vacation time a year plus 10 paid holidays. The job allowed me to spend lots of time raising the kids, take great vacations, and working 10 mins from the beach was surfing 100+ days a year.
At 50, with the kids finishing or done with college, became an independent project manager on the team building a 'next gen' data center for Sun Microsystem, and because of that experience was hired by Verisign to take over the construction of a critical data center that was having issues. Got the job done and they liked my work so became their Director for Property Management during an intense time of global business acquisitions, managing construction, facilities and security for a high tech portfolio that peaked at 85 facilities in 22 countries.
At 56 bailed from the 70 hour work weeks with constant travel and did some occasional facilities management consulting for Kaiser Permanente until 59, and then thanks in part to prudent real estate investments over the decades called it done.
As someone who spent time in foster homes as a kid and was on his own at 18 without a safety net, I had no long range plan. What I did have was an intense work ethic and a willingness to take chances when an opportunity presented itself, and well understand how fortunate I was to have had things work out the way they did.
The only advice I can offer is the same advice that came from a wise old man when I was a young man.
'Once one accepts the inevitability of death, there is no decision in life that one should be afraid of. So go for it.'
 
Took an environmental biology class in high school and we studied fish and wildlife and environmental conditions. Decided I wanted to be a wildlife biologist. Off to Oregon State and graduated in mid-70’s. By the grace of God I got a job with ODFW and had a 40 yr run. Was an absolute blast. Pay wasn’t great to begin with, but eventually everything came together nicely. Always figured I was one of the lucky ones and got to live my dream.
 
As a teenager, I learned that there was money to be made by killing marine animals and selling them for people to eat. It was, statistically, the most dangerous job in America. The freedom, the fast money, the adventure and the ability to just say FU to anybody at anytime... along with the sheer joy of being a "thrill seeker" captivated me. Forty five years later and I'm still at it (I killed thousands of marine animals today).
But the satisfaction of a carpenter building a house (for example) is, IMHO, far more spiritually fulfilling than that of a guy with a boatload of dead animals.
 
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Dave Bohupowah waa known to be the Foremost skilled in all areas. When it came to gettin a job DAVE BOHUPOWAH slammed down that bribe money and said "Get me in there!!!". Aint taking no for an answer!!!! I'm always the best at everything!!! No one can compete with me!!! I am head and shoulders ABOVE the pack!!! Above the lesser skilled characters. I'm always the best at everything. Thats why I get the Big Career Moves coming my way WITH EASE!!!!
 
I grew up wanting to be a veterinarian. As I was growing up I was fascinated with the Jacques Cousteau specials and the nature specials on PBS as well as Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom. As I got older thought about my career, I decided that if becoming a veterinarian wasn't an option, I'd like to be a marine or freshwater fishery biologist. Well after two years of undergraduate school, my grades were not going to get me into veterinary school. I didn't really study in high school and I learned how to study during my undergraduate years. If there was a class that did not super interest me or the professor was a dud, I did not do well. I did well in most of my science classes. Although I thought it was interesting, organic chemistry was difficult and I struggled a little in biochemistry, which I also liked. I probably should have asked more questions and put my nose in the book more.

While in college I tried to get a summer job with NJ Fish & Game and with a National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) lab in NJ with no success. In my junior year I got a summer job with Oregon State University's (at the time) School of Oceanography. I thank the support of my parents for letting me do this. I was in Oregon for 2 months. One of the professors got me on a 3-week NOAA research cruise from Coos Bay, OR to Tokeland, WA. It was incredible.

As my senior year of college was coming to an end, I was short about 7-10 credits of graduating. I was going to go to the University of North Carolina during the summer to take my last credits, but I got offered a job my the NMFS lab in New Jersey. I decided to take the job and go back to MSU to graduate in the fall. I think both the summer job with OSU and the summer job with NMFS were instrumental in opening doors for future employment.

After graduation from MSU, I got a job with NMFS in Galveston, TX for about 2 years. Lost it due to budget cuts and moved back home. I was able to get a job with the NJ NMFS lab (I had called them up to see if there were any jobs) without even interviewing. I worked there for about a year and it was decision time....I had applied to graduate school and got accepted at Humboldt State (now Cal Poly Humboldt) or stay with NMFS because they were working on getting me permanent, which I had a high probably of getting, but the proverbial wrench could have been thrown in it at the last minute. So I opted to go do grad school.

In grad school I was having trouble agreeing to a project with my major professor and I was running out of money as I had no stipend. I moved back home and got on with NMFS again. I was also thinking of applying to Rutgers and working and going to school as I got a professor to sponsor me. However, they changed my status from temporary to intermittent and I was laid off after reaching my maximum amount of hours. I had written to my major professor at Humboldt and he suggested I contact the CA Coop Fish & Wildlife Unit. The coop unit had two projects, a project looking at stocking in an alpine lake and another project conducting a genetic analysis of steelhead in the South Fork Trinity River. It was agreed/decided that I would do the genetic study and back to CA I went. It was like a light switch was turned on. I loved the genetic work...both the lab work and collecting my samples in the field. If I had to work 7 days a week, so what.

As my lab work was coming to an end and thesis writing was approaching, I started looking for work. I applied for a position with the US Fish & Wildlife Service (USFWS) in Arcata, but lost out on the flip of a coin.

I ended up taking a job in with the USFWS in Gainesville, FL and then took jobs in Alaska, Maryland, and Texas (with NMFS, a university and Texas Parks & Wildlife). I was in Texas for for months before I got hired by the Washington Dept. of Fisheries. The work in Alaska and Maryland was genetics and my initial job with WDF was also in genetics. Several years after being in my unit, I decided that although I was surer happy with my work, I was very unhappy with my environment. So when the opportunity arose, I lateraled into another position within Fish Program (in hindsight, maybe I should have stuffed it out a little longer). So after leaving the genetics world, I was doing work that I admit I did not love, but was in an environment that I loved.

In about a 10 year period I average a move about once a year due to not liking the job/employer or the area. I was in the middle of nowhere in my second stint in Texas and I was not enjoying the area nor the employer. The only good thing was a co-worker taught me how to water ski.

I have now been in Washington for 34 years.

Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if I had stayed longer in any of the places I previously worked in before coming to Washington. With that said, I have no regrets about the path I chose as I got to see and experience a lot of different and amazing things. I have also met some really wonderful people. For example, in my NMFS job in Texas, I went on research cruises from 5 to over 200 miles in the Gulf. It was incredible how blue the water became and how clear it was (visibility to 100 ft) when you got away from the influence of the Mississippi River. In Florida, I got to see a turtle biologist check out a nest and he found two hatchlings. It was amazing to see them make beeline to the ocean. I also sampled on NASA property and drove by the launch pads and vehicle assembly building. And on one occasion, had M-16s trained on me and my co-worker while we were pulling in a net. In Alaska, one memorable experience was my first helicopter ride (to a sampling site) and another was seeing the northern lights for the first time.

Sorry for being so long-winded (but I enjoy talking about it). For me I stumbled around for a while until I found a job that I really liked as well as the area. But once I got into fisheries, I never thought about working in any other field and I was fortunate I was able to stay in the field until I retired.
 
I started off as a procurement agent in a large company. After 10 years of work and working up to second level mgmt ( hated that job) and being groomed for upper management which involved a lot of traveling as well moving to different locales, I walked away from that to spend time with family, a higher priority in my life.

During this timeframe, MS offered me a job. A headhunter offered me a job at the director level in a Canadian company. Too many hours and/or moving were not as important as my family.. I walked away from big money. But I have my family and time to spend with them. I did not ever make a 6 figure income until my last year of working. We lived frugally, spent wisely, invested wisely, and now can help our kids. We got to be a family ---> priceless!

So II transitioned to IT and helped automate procurement processes. Loved it. But I needed bigger challenges so transioned to IT networking, then IT security, then IT Finance security, then IT network security and finally in Security for the company's external firewall. I always needed that challenge and excitement and knowing I was making a difference.

Peer to peer networking and networking with management allowed me to take chances and have management take chances on me, due to my track record.

The employment market is very, very different today. IMHO, scary. AI is changing/eliminating so many entry points and career paths.

My best advice:

Since you have a job, keep it, use it to your advantage, network, network, network, build your skillset, and your reputation, so other organizations and companies come looking for you.

Develop a list of high priorities that make you happy in life. Develop a list of interests that make you happy. Merge the two. Adjust as necessary
 
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After graduating from university and moving to the mountains of Colorado my parents gave me a fly tying kit for Christmas during my first year there little knowing what the impact of that gift would prove to be.
 
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