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Rob Allen said:
That's the real problem Ai/ data centers.. the choices are already made. They are coming. The choices now are where to put them. They need lots of power and lots of water. That should limit the choices. Quite frankly we need to ramp up our energy production, like yesterday.

The whole opposition to data centers? That ship sailed before it was even built.
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Yes, they are coming. Which is why the previous administration had policies in place requiring new data centers to operate on clean energy. Then came the current administration who wiped that requirement out, then proceeded to use our tax dollars to pay clean energy providers to halt the production of clean energy.
 
Canuck from Kansas said:
The arguments are beyond absurd. There is so much wrong, including the straw man argument (that no one made) that data centers are bad. If you follow the faulty logic, only those who do not participate in society would have the "right" to complain (but then how would they complain).

We have every "right" to complain, in hopes that things will be made better. To not complain and just accept the way things are results in a race to the bottom, not the mediocrity claimed, ie, what would be the incentive make improvements. Complaining and demanding quieter, energy efficient data centers is not just a right, it is a responsibility. To demand that data centers and their corporate owners pay a premium for the electricity and water they use, rather than subsidized rates, will incentivize change.

I will complain, and I will do so without being a hypocrite.
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Rob is dumb... got it..
 
One logical fallacy after another...

Straw Man
False Dilemma
Fallacy of Accident
Weak Analogy
Nirvana fallacy

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Canuck from Kansas said:
The arguments are beyond absurd. There is so much wrong, including the straw man argument (that no one made) that data centers are bad.
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downriver79 said:
Yes, they are coming. Which is why the previous administration had policies in place requiring new data centers to operate on clean energy. Then came the current administration who wiped that requirement out, then proceeded to use our tax dollars to pay clean energy providers to halt the production of clean energy.
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Except the idea of clean energy is a lie. There are only sources that some people prefer.
 
Rob Allen said:
Rob is dumb... got it..
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That is not what I said. I will not allow you to put words in my mouth. What I said was the arguments made were absurd. There is a history of very smart people making absurd arguments. There, perhaps I just said you're very smart.
 
downriver79 said:
Yes, they are coming. Which is why the previous administration had policies in place requiring new data centers to operate on clean energy. Then came the current administration who wiped that requirement out, then proceeded to use our tax dollars to pay clean energy providers to halt the production of clean energy.
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and run the current national debt to a stunning 40 Trillion dollars.
 
Rob Allen said:
Except the idea of clean energy is a lie. There are only sources that some people prefer.
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All energy sources require an initial carbon footprint to build and maintain, and no energy source is 100% clean.
Sun and wind are endless and free, however, and once the capture infrastructure is built in place the carbon footprint drops drastically as well as the cost to generate.
 
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Rob Allen said:
Except the idea of clean energy is a lie. There are only sources that some people prefer.
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I don't know, other countries seem to be doing pretty well with a transition from fossil fuels to clean energy.

Edit: or are you saying that clean energy isn't really "clean"? If so, I agree that every source of energy has downsides. The question I ask when looking at them is which one has worse downsides? I try not to make the perfect the enemy of the good.
 
Data Centers should be put along the Columbia, where the water is free, power is cheap, and not many people live there. It's a goddamned desert, biggest mistake ever made was puttin' the dams in, and subsidizing the lifestyles of a bunch of takers.
Since those areas have no jobs, and the counties cant even pay their own way, stack those fukin' things like cordwood from Klickitat County all the way to Ferry County. Start by putting those lazy ass unemployed loggers to work building data centers, and drill baby drill.
Run 'em on coal if you need to, coal is so labor intensive it'll create more jobs, and then maybe those loser counties full of bums will finally get off their asses, quit whining, leave the bar, put down the meth pipes and get a fukin' job for a change.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
😁
 
Zak said:
I don't know, other countries seem to be doing pretty well with a transition from fossil fuels to clean energy.

Edit: or are you saying that clean energy isn't really "clean"? If so, I agree that every source of energy has downsides. The question I ask when looking at them is which one has worse downsides? I try not to make the perfect the enemy of the good.
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I dunno much about solar but these wind turbines in my back yard can go to Hell.

Go drive through a wind farm some time see the who knows how many gallons of oil spilling out of then.. then stay til evening and look for the hordes of bats out eating bugs. Or. The lack thereof. Windmills are absolutely not green at all. Drive through the panhandle or Oklahoma and see all the broken ones that don't generate enough revenue to repair. Someone mentioned the federal budget earlier. Wind farm subsidies have been in the 200 billion range.
Seen all the steel reinforcements that go in the huge concrete of one of those things? 30-60 tons and 2000 tons of concrete

550 wind turbines in Klickitat county another 500 in Sherman County just across the river

Wind green? No is the objectively correct answer... not open for debate.
 
Rob Allen said:
I dunno much about solar but these wind turbines in my back yard can go to Hell.

Go drive through a wind farm some time see the who knows how many gallons of oil spilling out of then.. then stay til evening and look for the hordes of bats out eating bugs. Or. The lack thereof. Windmills are absolutely not green at all. Drive through the panhandle or Oklahoma and see all the broken ones that don't generate enough revenue to repair. Someone mentioned the federal budget earlier. Wind farm subsidies have been in the 200 billion range.
Seen all the steel reinforcements that go in the huge concrete of one of those things? 30-60 tons and 2000 tons of concrete

550 wind turbines in Klickitat county another 500 in Sherman County just across the river

Wind green? No is the objectively correct answer... not open for debate.
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Fossil fuel subsidies - Wikipedia https://share.google/n2nOU2dFcA2NgEmIJ

I have got say, it rubs me the wrong way when you say "it is not open for debate." Saying so does not make it so. In my view whether wind power is green is up for debate. Especially when the question is not whether wind power is green as some kind of absolute position, but whether it is relatively green compared to say, oil or coal. For example, how much concrete is in a coal power plant (aside from the other not green impacts of mining and burning coal).

I keep coming back to the fact that fossil fuel will run out (or it will become so expensive to extract after we pick all the low hanging fruit that it might as will have run out). We'll have to switch then, so why not get started on the switch now?

I am also concerned that the rest of the world is going to move on from fossil fuels without U.S., and we are squandering our chance to reap the benefits that the earlier adopters will receive.
 
SurfnFish said:
the huge 11 gigawatt data center being built in Amarillo Texas will use the electricity of 6 million homes when fully lit up, and run through 10-11 billion gallons of water a year.
With demand greatly outstripping any planned additional capacity, it is expected by 2030 residential electrical rates across the US will go up an average of 29% with some areas as high as 40%, with water rates to follow suit.
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That's a bad place to put one, and a bad decision by local government.

The Amarillo area is running out of water, most which comes from an endangered and deep aquifer.
Peyton00 said:
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Thank you Captain Oblivious
 
Zak said:
I have got say, it rubs me the wrong way when you say "it is not open for debate." Saying so does not make it so.
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Robs opinions are never up for debate, as he's an absolutist.
Always certain often wrong....
 
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