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[Long_Rod_Silvers]

Vivaldi is an AI free browser...

And a bad ass composer. Four seasons is killer.

 

[downriver79]

That's the real problem Ai/ data centers.. the choices are already made. They are coming. The choices now are where to put them. They need lots of power and lots of water. That should limit the choices. Quite frankly we need to ramp up our energy production, like yesterday.

The whole opposition to data centers? That ship sailed before it was even built.

Yes, they are coming. Which is why the previous administration had policies in place requiring new data centers to operate on clean energy. Then came the current administration who wiped that requirement out, then proceeded to use our tax dollars to pay clean energy providers to halt the production of clean energy.

 

[Rob Allen]

The arguments are beyond absurd. There is so much wrong, including the straw man argument (that no one made) that data centers are bad. If you follow the faulty logic, only those who do not participate in society would have the "right" to complain (but then how would they complain).

We have every "right" to complain, in hopes that things will be made better. To not complain and just accept the way things are results in a race to the bottom, not the mediocrity claimed, ie, what would be the incentive make improvements. Complaining and demanding quieter, energy efficient data centers is not just a right, it is a responsibility. To demand that data centers and their corporate owners pay a premium for the electricity and water they use, rather than subsidized rates, will incentivize change.

I will complain, and I will do so without being a hypocrite.

Rob is dumb... got it..

 

[Mossback]

One logical fallacy after another...

Straw Man
False Dilemma
Fallacy of Accident
Weak Analogy
Nirvana fallacy

The arguments are beyond absurd. There is so much wrong, including the straw man argument (that no one made) that data centers are bad.

 

[Rob Allen]

Yes, they are coming. Which is why the previous administration had policies in place requiring new data centers to operate on clean energy. Then came the current administration who wiped that requirement out, then proceeded to use our tax dollars to pay clean energy providers to halt the production of clean energy.

Except the idea of clean energy is a lie. There are only sources that some people prefer.

 

[Canuck from Kansas]

Rob is dumb... got it..

That is not what I said. I will not allow you to put words in my mouth. What I said was the arguments made were absurd. There is a history of very smart people making absurd arguments. There, perhaps I just said you're very smart.

 

[SurfnFish]

Yes, they are coming. Which is why the previous administration had policies in place requiring new data centers to operate on clean energy. Then came the current administration who wiped that requirement out, then proceeded to use our tax dollars to pay clean energy providers to halt the production of clean energy.

and run the current national debt to a stunning 40 Trillion dollars.

 

[SurfnFish]

Except the idea of clean energy is a lie. There are only sources that some people prefer.

All energy sources require an initial carbon footprint to build and maintain, and no energy source is 100% clean.
Sun and wind are endless and free, however, and once the capture infrastructure is built and in place the carbon footprint drops drastically as well as the cost to generate.

 

[DimeBrite]

@Flymph and @Rob Allen don't need to troll, the fish willingly jump into the boat on these circular fire threads.

 

[Matt B]

There is a history of very smart people making absurd arguments.

I'd say we got a lot a smart fellers here.

 

[Zak]

Except the idea of clean energy is a lie. There are only sources that some people prefer.

I don't know, other countries seem to be doing pretty well with a transition from fossil fuels to clean energy.

Edit: or are you saying that clean energy isn't really "clean"? If so, I agree that every source of energy has downsides. The question I ask when looking at them is which one has worse downsides? I try not to make the perfect the enemy of the good.