Corner crossing

Tom Butler said:
Mathematically a corner is a point, it has no size, no length, no width, so you can not pass over that point or a line projecting from the center of the earth through said point and into space without violating the space around it, because you have size.
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This is why WY agreed you can step over if there is a physical mark. You just have to step over the "point" on the diagonal. How hard would it be for the state to mark a few hundred corners in WA? 3 interns using DGPS for a summer?

I apologize for posting a lot here...I've had some incredibly scary situations with unethical landowners and have called both the Adams and Grant sheriffs over illegal posting and stood my ground. I've been right each time, I use my maps carefully. On-X helps a lot but obstinate landowners can be scary. In WY the landowners immediately back-off if you pull out a GPS...not so much in Grant County.
 
Salmo_g said:
100% in favor of corner crossing. The notion that private landowners can lock up public lands to their own private benefits and preventing public access strikes me as un-American and pro-fuedalism. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to hunt in the fvckin' King's forest or poach salmon from the King's river.
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While Great Britain's laws regarding access for fishing seem absolutely horrendous (owning fishing rights to a river while someone else owns the land around it is particularly baffling), they seem to have absolutely nailed the whole "people should be able to walk on land provided that they aren't being assholes" thing that's the issue here.

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longputt said:
This is why WY agreed you can step over if there is a physical mark. You just have to step over the "point" on the diagonal. How hard would it be for the state to mark a few hundred corners in WA? 3 interns using DGPS for a summer?

I apologize for posting a lot here...I've had some incredibly scary situations with unethical landowners and have called both the Adams and Grant sheriffs over illegal posting and stood my ground. I've been right each time, I use my maps carefully. On-X helps a lot but obstinate landowners can be scary. In WY the landowners immediately back-off if you pull out a GPS...not so much in Grant County.
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Cost, easily $10 - 15,000 per sq. mi. I used to do this for a living. Every section corner and the "midpoint" (1/2mi) was marked at one time.
I don't mind the posting, not a forum without contributions. Thread drift, I'm always concerned about river access so I follow these things.
 
Tom Butler said:
Mathematically a corner is a point, it has no size, no length, no width, so you can not pass over that point or a line projecting from the center of the earth through said point and into space without violating the space around it, because you have size.
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The classic land survey and GIS answer. I love it. I was thinking the exact same thing.
 
I'm not a hunter so this has not been a front/center issue for me. And while I've often had disagreements with many here I think access to public land is one thing we all can agree on.

I respect private land and landowners but this is wrong. Corner crossing is also illegal here in Montana and I've had friends who were active in trying to get this overturned with no luck. I'd love to discuss the issue with landowners who support this. Most of these folks are flying Trump flags and I can speak their language. Someone give me a red hat...I'll do the talking.
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Oh and while we are at it, Wyoming stream access laws blow as well. It is one reason I don't travel there often to fish.

Hem is right, landowners have incredible influence.

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Common sense doesn't come into play with land and power but....
Seems simple to me.
Consolidate the public land into blocks through land swaps
Or
Make the land owners buy the public land
Or
If the public can't corner cross then the land owners may not do it either. Or their cattle.
Let the government buy a 5 ft buffer at each corner so it's not pin point to pinpoint.

The whole idea of peivate landowners keeping people off public land is absurd
 
swimmy said:
I'm not a hunter so this has not been a front/center issue for me. And while I've often had disagreements with many here I think access to public land is one thing we all can agree on.

I respect private land and landowners but this is wrong. Corner crossing is also illegal here in Montana and I've had friends who were active in trying to get this overturned with no luck. I'd love to discuss the issue with landowners who support this. Most of these folks are flying Trump flags and I can speak their language. Someone give me a red hat...I'll do the talking.
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Oh and while we are at it, Wyoming stream access laws blow as well. It is one reason I don't travel there often to fish.

Hem is right, landowners have incredible influence.

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Same stream laws in Colorado. And these laws violate federal law. Laws they had to agree upon as a condition of statehood.
 
Rob Allen said:
Common sense doesn't come into play with land and power but....
Seems simple to me.
Consolidate the public land into blocks through land swaps
Or
Make the land owners buy the public land
Or
If the public can't corner cross then the land owners may not do it either. Or their cattle.
Let the government buy a 5 ft buffer at each corner so it's not pin point to pinpoint.

The whole idea of peivate landowners keeping people off public land is absurd
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As to making landowners buy the public land—sounds fair in a way, but I don’t want to sell! I want to be able to go there! (Or for you to…)
 
Bob Rankin said:
It is definitely one of those grey areas that I don’t mess with. Ya it sucks, but I personally wouldn’t corner hop without permission. With that being said I do hope they change the law in our favor I also don’t think it will stop land owners from starting a ruckus.
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You are allowed to fly over their property in an aircraft why not just hop over
 
Grayone said:
You are allowed to fly over their property in an aircraft why not just hop over
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Congress passed a law allowing flight over lands above a certain level as being in the public interest, disregarding the long held concept that the land owner held all above and below.
 
Google Wilkes Brothers Montana.
These guys are heavy hitters.
That hunting ground in the OnX video ^^^ is in the Durfee Hills surrounded by the N bar ranch owned by the above oil men.
 
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