Corner crossing
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bennysbuddy
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I personal witnessed this happening where I had a hunting camp,people started putting up gates on public roads to end access to public lands. The thought was who’s going to pay 40 grand to go to court and get the gates removed. The locals handled it their way & the shit stopped be cause the county sheriffs would not respond to trespassing calls in that area. people will try shit & see if they can get away with it . Take note of the happenings in Seattle & Portland , it’s becoming a lawless world.
Hem
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Yes, frustrating. I don't remember the exact amount of public land landlocked by private in Montana but it is significant...and inaccessible legally.
Not certain monkey wrench gang tactics will help the cause.
Hem
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Your example is not a corner hopping issue.
In WY the rule has been that the GPS is not accurate enough to define the exact corner. So the only corners you could cross are the government marked corners, such as Section markers. Is this changing?
I've elk hunted WY several times and this is serious business, landowners are paid incredible sums of money just for access. Particularly land that can allow access to landlocked public land.
I know of one landowner that was paid $25,000 for permission to cross their land...no elk on their land....just access to a public unit. I hiked 7 miles in the dark to hunt the same valley.
I've elk hunted WY several times and this is serious business, landowners are paid incredible sums of money just for access. Particularly land that can allow access to landlocked public land.
I know of one landowner that was paid $25,000 for permission to cross their land...no elk on their land....just access to a public unit. I hiked 7 miles in the dark to hunt the same valley.
I agree. One can still go to the land owner and asked even if marked with orange paint on fence posts. It works out well a lot of times. Couple of times I had to bring them a fish for dinner.
When I owned river front in MT, some people did not respect my land. They could drive close and walk in a bit. No issue. But they drove all the way to the river and parked in long grass. A fire started due to that. No Bueno. No more access. MT law is very specific on access over private land. It is under land owner control no matter how long it has been used by others...
wanderingrichard
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So a lazy, greedy government acquiest (sic) to wealthy developers and nothing has changed since the 1860's except the private land owners are now blocking off access to public lands adjacent to theirs?
wanderingrichard
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There's no protection via state law for you ?
(Sorry was meant as a question. Realized the question mark was missing )
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bennysbuddy
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Ok back to corner crossing. A lot of people think this is more a Wyoming/Montana issue but we have our checkerboards as well. This is just north of Moses Lake for example:
The court ruling will have significant impact on something like 6 million land locked acres. Crossing my fingers this land is legally opened up for good.
The court ruling will have significant impact on something like 6 million land locked acres. Crossing my fingers this land is legally opened up for good.
Hem
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As I understand it, you cannot step over a corner from public to public without technically trespassing on the private sections which make up the other two quarters of the corner. Even climbing a ladder is still trespassing i.e.trespassing through air space of private.
So even with survey pins a no-no.
Wyoming has language which suggests a crime has been committed based upon the intent of the persons doing the corner hopping.
Like I said, I haven't followed the case in Wyoming closely, but I think some guys got pissed and corner hopped during hunting season but without weapons, knowing they would get caught. In this case, I believe they were trying to push the envelope to test the legality of it all, and bring in some publicity.
So even with survey pins a no-no.
Wyoming has language which suggests a crime has been committed based upon the intent of the persons doing the corner hopping.
Like I said, I haven't followed the case in Wyoming closely, but I think some guys got pissed and corner hopped during hunting season but without weapons, knowing they would get caught. In this case, I believe they were trying to push the envelope to test the legality of it all, and bring in some publicity.
I have crossed corners in WY under the watchful eye of the landowner because the corner was marked by the government. The other corners in the area could not be crossed, even using the GPS.
A lot of the checkerboard sections were previously railroad easements...the railroads in some areas sold the private sections.
A lot of the checkerboard sections were previously railroad easements...the railroads in some areas sold the private sections.
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I wonder if we could get the state or Feds to stake the corners? Then there is no question, you can step over.
Anything can happen if it ever ended up in court. The right (or wrong) legal firm can sue for almost anything and win or at least bleed you dry. It's a risk.
Mathematically a corner is a point, it has no size, no length, no width, so you can not pass over that point or a line projecting from the center of the earth through said point and into space without violating the space around it, because you have size.
HOG
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As someone with 888 acres of private land in gmu 251, I am actually in favor of corner crossing and wish states would get a positive definition, in favor for the public. Our land locks out 473 acres of public land, that we are not taxed on, but only me and the other land owner have access. It is fucking stupid. Why popular public areas are becoming even more of a shit show during the general seasons. Same could be argued for steelhead minus the actual runs… but after this winter, mule deer and elk along the north central cascades will be hurting, big winter kill but that ain’t this thread.
Meow to put my private land owner hat on, fuck the public for trashing public land. It is disgusting how much refuse can be found along roads and trails these days and I am not that old. I recall much cleaner public lands while growing up and hunting/fishing in the mountains.
Meow to put my private land owner hat on, fuck the public for trashing public land. It is disgusting how much refuse can be found along roads and trails these days and I am not that old. I recall much cleaner public lands while growing up and hunting/fishing in the mountains.