Bad outing for FlyFish Dan

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Love this, well said...good stuff. I am 100% taking a page out of the legends book - lighter rods don't hurt fish, if played/landed/released correctly...especially true with modern rods.
With all due respect. Fishing rods all get a rating of some sort. What task is this tool designed to do. Does your tool "work". Yep, but my tool that I have is going to outperform your tool every single time.
Fishing tackle to me are just tools to accomplish a task. If I was to have to rebuild a motor, I could do it with hand tools, and no specialty tools. However, if I were to use proper speciality tools that are designed for the specific purpose that I am doing, my task will be completed quicker, more efficiently, and most importantly, safer.
I can tell you are a good guy but you have been on the "defense" a ton here, and that mentality never leads to any sort of growth in this case. Its okay to be wrong. I would challenge you to approach it differently. "Thanks all, while I disagree with some of your opinions I would be willing to give a bigger stick a try, and report back". True learning has to start out with some humility first.
 
My high school band covered this and it got on vinyl because we are Gen X DIY people and that's the kinda sh*t we did in high school. Someone recently put it on YT.


my HS buddies would often open their shows with the Beavis and Butthead theme song.
 
my HS buddies would often open their shows with the Beavis and Butthead theme song.
uhh...uh huh. Huh.

Yeah I remember doing some B&B on the mic back in the day...

We ended every song with that dunt dunt duh-dunt, dunt dunt duh-dunt. Because.
 
I completely disagree with your statement. I had this rod built specifically for both single-hand spey (for trout) and swinging for steelhead in mind. The blank on this rod is just as strong as an 8wt single-hand (I also use my Sage Xi 890 4pc for steelhead). Calling it 'unethical and wrong' is just an opinion without any facts to support it. I can land a 20lb steelhead just as safely as you can with your 12wt spey rod.


I call bull shit, and it is 100% unethical and wrong.

I hope you never catch another Steelhead, as you dont deserve too!
 
As with most situations, the person operating the tool directly influences the outcome. I guarantee some of the experts here could land a 10lb steely on a 5wt quicker than a novice using a 9wt.


For sure, but he's advertising using a 5wt trout spey on the Olympic Peninsula where there is legitimate chances at 30# + fish.
This sends the completely wrong message to new and up and coming anglers, especially as the opertunities to fish for Steelhead are dwindling all over the PNW.

Go use that trout spey on the Rouge or Klamath for the plentiful half pounders there, the right tool for the job, the OP giants no!
 
Go use that trout spey on the Rouge or Klamath for the plentiful half pounders there, the right tool for the job, the OP giants no!
Been catching a good amount of half pounders on a 5 wt recently. Caught one the other day that went 22". That was a lot of fun! That being said, I'd definitely go bigger if I thought there was a legitimate chance at a 20#+ anadromous fish of any species. It's one thing to play out a 20" CO rainbow in heavily fished water where fish are tippet shy and you can't use anything over 6X and still catch fish. But in my limited experience Steelhead fishing, Steelhead don't seem to be tippet shy. I've had some takes on a hopper with 2X that rivaled a 6Lb largemouth blowing up on a Zara Spook. No sense in under-tooling. FFD, if you ever want to put those trout speys to work in applicable water, come on down to NorCal!
 
I'll just say this.. if you hook a steelhead your rod should be sufficient to move the fish at will except when the fish is running.. if you bend your rod to the cork and the fish does not move your rod is too light.. and it doesn't matter what kind of current the fish is in
. Steelhead fly fishing needs a little more bass masters a little less slack line..
 
As with most situations, the person operating the tool directly influences the outcome. I guarantee some of the experts here could land a 10lb steely on a 5wt quicker than a novice using a 9wt.


This is the crux of the issue IMO. I feel as a guide/captain I need to set an example of the right way to do things, not just the way that I myself can do things. I can land src with a 4 wt faster than most seem to land them with a 6. However, I don't do this, nor do I allow people on my boat to target them with a 4 wt because IME most people lack the fish fighting experience to land any fish quickly, even with the right tool. That isn't a jab at anyone, it's just reality. Most anglers of any sort simply don't catch a ton of fish.

I do not doubt an experienced angler can quickly land a quality steelhead with a trout spey, but those types of anglers are far out numbered by people with much less experience. People hire a guide much of the time because they want to learn how to catch fish. If people see me targeting src with a 4 wt and landing them quickly, then they may go out and buy a 4 themselves and then spend 12 minutes landing 15" fish. It's not a good example for me to be giving. I have to imagine a large portion of Dan's viewer base is newer fly anglers searching the web to learn about all things fly fishing in the NW. If watching a video of him fishing a trout spey for steelhead gives them the impression that this is totally normal and anyone can/should do it, then that's not a good thing IMO.

I do not doubt Dan's ability to quickly land a steelhead using such a rod. No doubt it can be done by those who have the ability and experience to do so. But the simple fact is that most do not. I think anyone in such a position, myself included as a guide, should always be thinking about how our actions are perceived by those with less experience. I catch myself constantly on albacore trips doing things that Id definitely not want my average customer to do. Because I have caught thousands of albacore, I do things that I don't want people who come out once a year to be doing. It's nothing against them or their ability, rather it's a result of the stupid amount of experience I have been blessed to rack up courtesy of my job. But I have to remember that if people see the captain do it, they're likely to think they can do it to.

I'm sure Dan and plenty of others can land a fish quickly on that rod. I'm also just as sure that a high percentage of people watching his videos cannot, and absolutely should not attempt it, and it should not be encouraged or sold by someone in such a position.

Just my take.
 
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This is the crux of the issue IMO. I feel as a guide/captain I need to set an example of the right way to do things, not just the way that I myself can do things. I can land src with a 4 wt faster than most seem to land them with a 6. However, I don't do this, not do I allow people on my boat to target them with a 4 wt because IME most people lack the fish fighting experience to land any fish quickly, even with the right tool. That isn't a jab at anyone, it's just reality. Most anglers of any sort simply don't catch a ton of fish.

I do not doubt an experienced angler can quickly land a quality steelhead with a trout spey, but those types of anglers are far out numbered by people with far less experience. People hire a guide much of the time because they want to learn how to catch fish. If people see me targeting src with a 4 wt and landing them quickly, then they may go out and buy a 4 themselves and then spend 12 minutes landing 15" fish. It's not a good example for me to be giving. I have to imagine a large portion of Dan's viewer base is newer fly anglers searching the web to learn about all things fly fishing in the NW. If watching a video of him fishing a trout spey for steelhead gives them the impression that this is totally normal and anyone can/should do it, then that's not a good thing IMO.

I do not doubt Dan's ability to quickly land a steelhead using such a rod. No doubt it can be done by those who have the ability and experience to do so. But the simple fact is that most do not. I think anyone in such a position, myself included as a guide, should always be thinking about how our actions are perceived by those with less experience. I catch myself constantly on albacore trips doing things that Id definitely not want my average customer to do. Because I have caught thousands of albacore, I do things that I don't want people who come out once a year to be doing. It's nothing against them or their ability, rather it's a result of the stupid amount of experience I have been blessed to rack up courtesy of my job. But I have to remember that if people see the captain do it, they're likely to think they can do it to.

I'm sure Dan and plenty of others can land a fish quickly on that rod. I'm also just as sure that a high percentage of people watching his videos cannot, and absolutely should not attempt it, and it should not be encouraged or sold by someone in such a position.

Just my take.

Mic drop?
 
This is the crux of the issue IMO. I feel as a guide/captain I need to set an example of the right way to do things, not just the way that I myself can do things. I can land src with a 4 wt faster than most seem to land them with a 6. However, I don't do this, not do I allow people on my boat to target them with a 4 wt because IME most people lack the fish fighting experience to land any fish quickly, even with the right tool. That isn't a jab at anyone, it's just reality. Most anglers of any sort simply don't catch a ton of fish.

I do not doubt an experienced angler can quickly land a quality steelhead with a trout spey, but those types of anglers are far out numbered by people with far less experience. People hire a guide much of the time because they want to learn how to catch fish. If people see me targeting src with a 4 wt and landing them quickly, then they may go out and buy a 4 themselves and then spend 12 minutes landing 15" fish. It's not a good example for me to be giving. I have to imagine a large portion of Dan's viewer base is newer fly anglers searching the web to learn about all things fly fishing in the NW. If watching a video of him fishing a trout spey for steelhead gives them the impression that this is totally normal and anyone can/should do it, then that's not a good thing IMO.

I do not doubt Dan's ability to quickly land a steelhead using such a rod. No doubt it can be done by those who have the ability and experience to do so. But the simple fact is that most do not. I think anyone in such a position, myself included as a guide, should always be thinking about how our actions are perceived by those with less experience. I catch myself constantly on albacore trips doing things that Id definitely not want my average customer to do. Because I have caught thousands of albacore, I do things that I don't want people who come out once a year to be doing. It's nothing against them or their ability, rather it's a result of the stupid amount of experience I have been blessed to rack up courtesy of my job. But I have to remember that if people see the captain do it, they're likely to think they can do it to.

I'm sure Dan and plenty of others can land a fish quickly on that rod. I'm also just as sure that a high percentage of people watching his videos cannot, and absolutely should not attempt it, and it should not be encouraged or sold by someone in such a position.

Just my take.
Thread drift, sort of: Captain Nick - I'm truly excited to be on your boat this Saturday. If you see me doing it wrong, please don't hesitate to LET ME KNOW (a swift kick in the butt; maybe not). ;-)
 
Thread drift, sort of: Captain Nick - I'm truly excited to be on your boat this Saturday. If you see me doing it wrong, please don't hesitate to LET ME KNOW (a swift kick in the butt; maybe not). ;-)


Looking forward to finally meeting you! I'll try to refrain from any swift kicks lol
 
This is the crux of the issue IMO. I feel as a guide/captain I need to set an example of the right way to do things, not just the way that I myself can do things. I can land src with a 4 wt faster than most seem to land them with a 6. However, I don't do this, not do I allow people on my boat to target them with a 4 wt because IME most people lack the fish fighting experience to land any fish quickly, even with the right tool. That isn't a jab at anyone, it's just reality. Most anglers of any sort simply don't catch a ton of fish.

I do not doubt an experienced angler can quickly land a quality steelhead with a trout spey, but those types of anglers are far out numbered by people with far less experience. People hire a guide much of the time because they want to learn how to catch fish. If people see me targeting src with a 4 wt and landing them quickly, then they may go out and buy a 4 themselves and then spend 12 minutes landing 15" fish. It's not a good example for me to be giving. I have to imagine a large portion of Dan's viewer base is newer fly anglers searching the web to learn about all things fly fishing in the NW. If watching a video of him fishing a trout spey for steelhead gives them the impression that this is totally normal and anyone can/should do it, then that's not a good thing IMO.

I do not doubt Dan's ability to quickly land a steelhead using such a rod. No doubt it can be done by those who have the ability and experience to do so. But the simple fact is that most do not. I think anyone in such a position, myself included as a guide, should always be thinking about how our actions are perceived by those with less experience. I catch myself constantly on albacore trips doing things that Id definitely not want my average customer to do. Because I have caught thousands of albacore, I do things that I don't want people who come out once a year to be doing. It's nothing against them or their ability, rather it's a result of the stupid amount of experience I have been blessed to rack up courtesy of my job. But I have to remember that if people see the captain do it, they're likely to think they can do it to.

I'm sure Dan and plenty of others can land a fish quickly on that rod. I'm also just as sure that a high percentage of people watching his videos cannot, and absolutely should not attempt it, and it should not be encouraged or sold by someone in such a position.

Just my take.
Good point and well said - something I need to take into consideration for sure.
 
With all due respect. Fishing rods all get a rating of some sort. What task is this tool designed to do. Does your tool "work". Yep, but my tool that I have is going to outperform your tool every single time.
Fishing tackle to me are just tools to accomplish a task. If I was to have to rebuild a motor, I could do it with hand tools, and no specialty tools. However, if I were to use proper speciality tools that are designed for the specific purpose that I am doing, my task will be completed quicker, more efficiently, and most importantly, safer.
I can tell you are a good guy but you have been on the "defense" a ton here, and that mentality never leads to any sort of growth in this case. Its okay to be wrong. I would challenge you to approach it differently. "Thanks all, while I disagree with some of your opinions I would be willing to give a bigger stick a try, and report back". True learning has to start out with some humility first.
Your point is valid, and it's solid advice when dealing with respectful people who simply have different opinions than mine. I've grown a lot in this sport, even in my 50s, and I've received some great feedback since starting my YouTube and social media journey. However, where I draw the line and get defensive is when I encounter uneducated, bullying types who resort to name-calling and mudslinging to make their point. That’s something I find really tough to handle.
 
Your point is valid, and it's solid advice when dealing with respectful people who simply have different opinions than mine. I've grown a lot in this sport, even in my 50s, and I've received some great feedback since starting my YouTube and social media journey. However, where I draw the line and get defensive is when I encounter uneducated, bullying types who resort to name-calling and mudslinging to make their point. That’s something I find really tough to handle.


Some of the best and most knowledgeable anglers in the world are uneducated.
 
Your point is valid, and it's solid advice when dealing with respectful people who simply have different opinions than mine. I've grown a lot in this sport, even in my 50s, and I've received some great feedback since starting my YouTube and social media journey. However, where I draw the line and get defensive is when I encounter uneducated, bullying types who resort to name-calling and mudslinging to make their point. That’s something I find really tough to handle.
We all are on this damn hamster wheel trying to learn buddy.
 
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