Bad outing for FlyFish Dan

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I have taken to simply willing them to the shore, using the force of my mind only.
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The mind is a terrible thing to waste...
 
Long_Rod_Silvers said:
I think technically, you'd want a 12' 12 weight rod. You'd have better leverage that way.

Anyway, I was curious about your question of physics, so I went to the obvious source - chatbot GPT.

Here's what I got:

Hooke's law describes the actual physics of how a fishing rod bends in reaction to a force being applied.

Here's the equation:
F = -K * X

F is the force applied by the fish
K is the spring constant, or the stiffness of the rod
X is the displacement, or how much the rod bends

Lower K = softer rods, require less force to bend.
Higher K = stiffer rods, require more force to bend.
If the fish applies a force of 10 (arbitrary unit of measure), we'd apply a force of -10 (F), the soft rod (value K=1) will bend a lot (X=10). However, if you have a fish applying a force of 10 with a stiff rod (K value of 10), the rod will barely bend (X = 1).

As long as the rod stays within it's breaking point (elastic limit), you can see that you'd be able to absorb more force from the fish, tiring it out quicker with a stiffer rod, since it would take the fish more energy to apply more force. The faster the fish uses it's energy, the faster the fish will get tired to the point that it can be landed. With a stiff enough rod, an angler could conceptually land a fish before the fish is even tired from the fight (reference tournament bass anglers). Where as with a lighter rod, the fish could apply less force and get the rod to the breaking point quicker, and thus prolong the fight unnecessarily because it's using less energy to swim away from the angler.
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Thanks, that is what I was looking for. I do agree that it takes less effort to land a big fish with a thick, less-bendy rod. And don't forget that it is the angler applying pressure on the fish as well as the fish applying pressure on the rod. And while we are talking the ability to apply more pressure, the question is really how much more pressure is needed. I am going to assume that the rod won't break, a reasonable assumption given that most of us have not broken a rod fighting a fish. But when I talk about the pressure needed, if I can land said fish with 15 pounds of pressure on the 12 weight, and 30 pounds of pressure on the 6 weight, then I am strong enough to apply the difference in pressure. Also don't forget the leverage effect of the longer rods: the longer the rod, the more pressure the fish applies to the angler, so shorter would seem better. Also don't forget that the purpose of landing a fish to be released is to land it quickly, before it is overly tired, certainly easier with the stronger rod but not impossible with the lighter rod. And I have seen some fisherman take forever to land a fish on a big rod.

I'm not advocating using light rods on big fish, I'm advocating not telling others what to do when they fish.
 
Well 1. It is partly for the rod.

2. It's respect for the resource and given the status of the resource reasonable respect must be given to each individual.
If the resource was in good shape I'd say use whatever you like but be prepared to deal with harvesting a fish.
 
Long_Rod_Silvers said:
Here's the equation:
F = -K * X

F is the force applied by the fish
K is the spring constant, or the stiffness of the rod
X is the displacement, or how much the rod bends
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Pretty good for AI, I guess. But the equation is flawed when it comes to fishing rods. K, the spring constant is not constant because the rod is tapered. Thus the stiffness is slight near the rod tip and nearly extreme and close to a constant in the butt section. But conceptually, yeah, that's about right.

What is always omitted in these arguments about appropriate rods is that a fish can be played with no rod at all. Not necessarily fun, but certainly possible.
 
Salmo_g said:
Pretty good for AI, I guess. But the equation is flawed when it comes to fishing rods. K, the spring constant is not constant because the rod is tapered. Thus the stiffness is slight near the rod tip and nearly extreme and close to a constant in the butt section. But conceptually, yeah, that's about right.
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Good point. Probably have to bracket K and do some additional mathing within the brackets to make the equation accurate.
Salmo_g said:
What is always omitted in these arguments about appropriate rods is that a fish can be played with no rod at all. Not necessarily fun, but certainly possible.
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We should start a spear fishing and hand lining thread...
 
DanielOcean said:
He'll I aint clicking on that. Don't want to suffer like you. Perhaps this is a sign that you need to hop on the reading rainbow and pickup a book.
Bonus, if you do I will give you pizza hut book it certificate for one free personal pan pizza.
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Since this thread has officially gone off the rails, I'll continue that trend.

DO, just seeing your new avatar. you win.
 
Porter2 said:
Keep doing what you do FlyFish Dan….. so far entertained and informed. Liked your video on some river a few miles south of Sunriver area. You’ll never please everyone 100%. So enjoy the 90%+ who seem too. Thanks for joining.
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Well said and thank you. Always good to keep that in perspective (the 90+%). Cheers!
 
doublespey said:
Kinda feel for FFD, it's a tough crowd with a lot of opinions. Putting yourself out on YouTube is like putting a big "hit me" sign on your back and running around in a rowdy drunken crowd. No matter what you do someone's gonna take a shot. Dan's reaching out to folks wanting to learn flyfishing, and I'm sure many learn a lot from his videos. And while I personally prefer heavier rods for winter steelhead, I also wonder how many on this forum remember the videos of Lee Wulff fishing for wild Atlantic Salmon with a 3 or 4wt bamboo single hander. If he was alive and on the forum, would you call him out? Not advocating for anything, just posing a question ---
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Love this, well said...good stuff. I am 100% taking a page out of the legend's book - lighter rods don't hurt fish, if played/landed/released correctly...especially true with modern rods.
 
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Paige said:
For someone who is in the industry, promoting the use of 5wt trout speys for OP spring Steelhead is just plain unethical and wrong, no matter how strong one thinks the rods are, they are not the appropriate tool for the job!

In the Lee Wolf videos he was catching grilse and small Atlantics, not 20+ pound fish. He also preferred shorter rods than the majority used back then and probably didnt have many options on line wt.

It would be cool to hear his thoughts on modern angling though!
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I completely disagree with your statement. I had this rod built specifically for both single-hand spey (for trout) and swinging for steelhead in mind. The blank on this rod is just as strong as an 8wt single-hand (I also use my Sage Xi 890 4pc for steelhead). Calling it 'unethical and wrong' is just an opinion without any facts to support it. I can land a 20lb steelhead just as safely as you can with your 12wt spey rod.
 
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Matt B said:
My high school band covered this and it got on vinyl because we are Gen X DIY people and that's the kinda sh*t we did in high school. Someone recently put it on YT.

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