Alpacka Rafts

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Anyone have any experience with these?
Been fixing to get one for a while and probably going to pull the trigger here soon on the Caribou model.

Curious if anyone has one and what their thoughts are on the accessories. The bow bag, cargo fly inernal dry bags and paddles have me questioning if they are any good or if I just use my own bags and get a paddle somewhere else.
 


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Well dang that was nice looking.

Kinda curious where all their gear was though. Doesn't look like there's a ton of room in that Alpacka. Camera guy must have been rowing the luggage cart.
 
Well dang that was nice looking.

Kinda curious where all their gear was though. Doesn't look like there's a ton of room in that Alpacka. Camera guy must have been rowing the luggage cart.
The bow has a dry compartment inside the tube. It's pretty slick little setup.
 
Well dang that was nice looking.

Kinda curious where all their gear was though. Doesn't look like there's a ton of room in that Alpacka. Camera guy must have been rowing the luggage cart.

You can see in one of the shots, they were pretty minimal, ie, sleeping on the beach sans tent
 
Anyone have any experience with these?
Been fixing to get one for a while and probably going to pull the trigger here soon on the Caribou model.

Curious if anyone has one and what their thoughts are on the accessories. The bow bag, cargo fly inernal dry bags and paddles have me questioning if they are any good or if I just use my own bags and get a paddle somewhere else.

I have one, ok, two packrafts. Um, make that three, I guess, lol. But I am not sure how to answer your questions about either the boat selection or accessories without knowing more about your intended use.
 
I have one, ok, two packrafts. Um, make that three, I guess, lol. But I am not sure how to answer your questions about either the boat selection or accessories without knowing more about your intended use.
Hahaha, that's good you have three, that means they are fun!!

I had a couple thoughts on how I'd use it:
1. Single day river trips: e.g. Take it hiking and after setting up camp, hike up 4 or 5 miles in the wee hours and then spend the day floating back down to camp. For that, the bow storage would get all the days gear. Feels pretty straight forward.
2. Multi day river trips: e.g. setup an extraction point / base camp and then hike up further into the system and float back down to the extraction point over several days. In this case would bring the hiking pack with on the alpacka (in the dry bow storage) and probably strap down another dry bag with any gear needed for the day fishing.
3. Take it up to mountain lakes and use to explore around the lake and fish from with one of my kids (I paddle while they fish).

That last one is kind of a throw in. Mostly want the alpacka to get up into some of the rivers that aren't easily accessible with a boat and be able to spend a couple days floating back down.

They sell paddles. Looks like they are 4 piece paddles so that they can break down really small and be easier to pack in. Have no experience with a 4 piece paddle, but tempted to grab them because they are light weight and break down well....but....I'm a little hesitant to spend the $ having no idea if the paddles are decent. Could always just grab the paddle from them later.

They have a dry bag (cargo fly internal bag) that's specifically designed (at least it looks like it is) to fit into the bow dry storage area. It looks like the concept is that it keeps things from sloshing around, which makes sense. But I've got so many damn dry bags already not sure why I'd spend the money on their dry bag just to have a bag that's shaped appropriately to not move around much. I'm inclined to pass on this accessory as I don't see it adding a hole bunch of value unless there's a trip where there a bunch of portages and the load in the dry storage shifting around would be a little tough to manage.

They also have a bow bag. Just looks like a dry bag that's designed to easily secure to the bow. I'd imagine any dry bag would work for this, of which I have plenty, so I'm inclined to pass on that.

The caribou is the one I'm eyeing. Looks like it's the best combination of size and weight they offer.

-Matt
 
Hahaha, that's good you have three, that means they are fun!!

I had a couple thoughts on how I'd use it:
1. Single day river trips: e.g. Take it hiking and after setting up camp, hike up 4 or 5 miles in the wee hours and then spend the day floating back down to camp. For that, the bow storage would get all the days gear. Feels pretty straight forward.
2. Multi day river trips: e.g. setup an extraction point / base camp and then hike up further into the system and float back down to the extraction point over several days. In this case would bring the hiking pack with on the alpacka (in the dry bow storage) and probably strap down another dry bag with any gear needed for the day fishing.
3. Take it up to mountain lakes and use to explore around the lake and fish from with one of my kids (I paddle while they fish).

That last one is kind of a throw in. Mostly want the alpacka to get up into some of the rivers that aren't easily accessible with a boat and be able to spend a couple days floating back down.

They sell paddles. Looks like they are 4 piece paddles so that they can break down really small and be easier to pack in. Have no experience with a 4 piece paddle, but tempted to grab them because they are light weight and break down well....but....I'm a little hesitant to spend the $ having no idea if the paddles are decent. Could always just grab the paddle from them later.

They have a dry bag (cargo fly internal bag) that's specifically designed (at least it looks like it is) to fit into the bow dry storage area. It looks like the concept is that it keeps things from sloshing around, which makes sense. But I've got so many damn dry bags already not sure why I'd spend the money on their dry bag just to have a bag that's shaped appropriately to not move around much. I'm inclined to pass on this accessory as I don't see it adding a hole bunch of value unless there's a trip where there a bunch of portages and the load in the dry storage shifting around would be a little tough to manage.

They also have a bow bag. Just looks like a dry bag that's designed to easily secure to the bow. I'd imagine any dry bag would work for this, of which I have plenty, so I'm inclined to pass on that.

The caribou is the one I'm eyeing. Looks like it's the best combination of size and weight they offer.

-Matt

Ok, from what you have said, I don’t think that the Caribou would be my first choice but I would talk it over with Alpacka to be sure. This is a highly specialized boat and if you won’t be doing trips that have heavy loads ON the bow (like a bike), the Mule or another boat might be a better choice. I would call Alpacka and discuss it with them. They are great about helping people decide which boat is best for them.

As for the internal tie down points, the Caribou doesn’t have any since it is primarily built for bike packing. The tie down points are less for portaging (which I probably wouldn’t do with a loaded boat anyway, unless it was a short portage and had helping hands), but are for stabilizing the internal load on the water. The last thing that you want is your weight shifting at a critical spot, which given Murphy’s Law, is when things tend to happen. This is especially important in whitewater but is true any time. Do you need to buy their special bags? Maybe not. If you have lightweight nylon dry bags, you could probably find a way to use a piece of long thin cord through the base of a buckle or if you are lucky, your bags have D rings. (If not, you could always add a D ring.) Oh, and BTW, the access zipper is on the stern, not the bow.

As for the bow storage bag, sure you could use anything. Just be sure that what ever you use, that you rig it it in a way to minimize entrapment issues. The Alpacka one is mounted in a way that accomplishes this, along with keeping your cockpit area uncrowded. The other benefit I can see with that bag (I don’t have one) is that it keeps everything out of the water that will invariably get in the bottom of your boat. Very few bags end up being truly waterproof, especially rolltop bags. However, the downside to bags mounted high up is they raise your center of gravity, which in my book, is never a good thing.

As for paddle, since you will be backpacking in, a 4pc is usually easier to deal with. And, even if you bring a two or one piece, there should be at least one spare paddle in the group on every trip, even a day trip. So, if you are floating solo, the group is you and you should have a spare paddle. Period. The paddles they sell are expensive and from very good brands, especially the Werner ones, but good paddles are expensive and should be the last thing on which you try to economize. You will be picking it up literally thousands of times a day so get the lightest one that you can afford as the desire for lightweight is usually more about when you are using it, than carrying it. I already have a ton of paddles, both whitewater and flatwater, so I didn’t buy a special one for packrafting. If you have a paddle or two, I would just use what you have until you decide that you need different performance.

You have mentioned if you have a pfd but if not, get one and ALWAYS wear it. Always. Again, don’t economize. Get one that is comfortable to wear and paddle in all day - even when you wear it properly (which means very snuggly). Get one that is comfortable to cast in as chances are, it will be a too much of a pain to take on and off when you want to hit a spot quickly. I only take mine off when I am going to be away from the boat for an extended length of time.

Speaking of which, if you plan to tether the boat to you and wade fish with it in tow (which often/usually means having it downstream of you), you will need a quick-release tow belt. And, you will need some way the tie it up when you leave it on shore. And since you won’t want to leave it fully inflated in the sun on the shore, you’d better have a K pump (or something) handy in your external gear bag. I bring the inflation bag as an emergency back-up and bring a USB pump and K pump (unless someone in the group has one). And, don’t forget a small throw rope and all the normal emergency/safety gear. The one mistake that I find anglers make in any watercraft is they forget that they are paddling/rafting first and foremost and need to treat each trip/outing as if they were on a paddling/rowing trip, not a fishing trip. The fishing part is just something you are doing when you are out there. I find that when people look at their watercraft as just a means to an end, they skip over or skimp on some (or all) of the gear that no experienced paddler or raft would ever think of going without.

Which leads to the last point. Do you have the knowledge and skills to safely do what you are considering? If not, please please make classes your first purchase! Ask your family what your life is worth and take what ever classes you need and spend the money on the best gear that you can afford, especially safety-related gear. I have taught both flatwater and whitewater classes and I am still taking classes. It is important to keep one’s skills up and you always learn something, especially as new gear and techniques are developed. I would highly recommend a pack rafting class and if you haven’t ever taken Swiftwater rescue, taking one would be important and even better if you can take a packrafting or kayak focused one. Heck, just this spring, I am signed up for a 4 different classes as refreshers, although I know I will learn some new skills too.

Let me know if you have any other questions!
 
Ok, from what you have said, I don’t think that the Caribou would be my first choice but I would talk it over with Alpacka to be sure. This is a highly specialized boat and if you won’t be doing trips that have heavy loads ON the bow (like a bike), the Mule or another boat might be a better choice. I would call Alpacka and discuss it with them. They are great about helping people decide which boat is best for them.

As for the internal tie down points, the Caribou doesn’t have any since it is primarily built for bike packing. The tie down points are less for portaging (which I probably wouldn’t do with a loaded boat anyway, unless it was a short portage and had helping hands), but are for stabilizing the internal load on the water. The last thing that you want is your weight shifting at a critical spot, which given Murphy’s Law, is when things tend to happen. This is especially important in whitewater but is true any time. Do you need to buy their special bags? Maybe not. If you have lightweight nylon dry bags, you could probably find a way to use a piece of long thin cord through the base of a buckle or if you are lucky, your bags have D rings. (If not, you could always add a D ring.) Oh, and BTW, the access zipper is on the stern, not the bow.

As for the bow storage bag, sure you could use anything. Just be sure that what ever you use, that you rig it it in a way to minimize entrapment issues. The Alpacka one is mounted in a way that accomplishes this, along with keeping your cockpit area uncrowded. The other benefit I can see with that bag (I don’t have one) is that it keeps everything out of the water that will invariably get in the bottom of your boat. Very few bags end up being truly waterproof, especially rolltop bags. However, the downside to bags mounted high up is they raise your center of gravity, which in my book, is never a good thing.

As for paddle, since you will be backpacking in, a 4pc is usually easier to deal with. And, even if you bring a two or one piece, there should be at least one spare paddle in the group on every trip, even a day trip. So, if you are floating solo, the group is you and you should have a spare paddle. Period. The paddles they sell are expensive and from very good brands, especially the Werner ones, but good paddles are expensive and should be the last thing on which you try to economize. You will be picking it up literally thousands of times a day so get the lightest one that you can afford as the desire for lightweight is usually more about when you are using it, than carrying it. I already have a ton of paddles, both whitewater and flatwater, so I didn’t buy a special one for packrafting. If you have a paddle or two, I would just use what you have until you decide that you need different performance.

You have mentioned if you have a pfd but if not, get one and ALWAYS wear it. Always. Again, don’t economize. Get one that is comfortable to wear and paddle in all day - even when you wear it properly (which means very snuggly). Get one that is comfortable to cast in as chances are, it will be a too much of a pain to take on and off when you want to hit a spot quickly. I only take mine off when I am going to be away from the boat for an extended length of time.

Speaking of which, if you plan to tether the boat to you and wade fish with it in tow (which often/usually means having it downstream of you), you will need a quick-release tow belt. And, you will need some way the tie it up when you leave it on shore. And since you won’t want to leave it fully inflated in the sun on the shore, you’d better have a K pump (or something) handy in your external gear bag. I bring the inflation bag as an emergency back-up and bring a USB pump and K pump (unless someone in the group has one). And, don’t forget a small throw rope and all the normal emergency/safety gear. The one mistake that I find anglers make in any watercraft is they forget that they are paddling/rafting first and foremost and need to treat each trip/outing as if they were on a paddling/rowing trip, not a fishing trip. The fishing part is just something you are doing when you are out there. I find that when people look at their watercraft as just a means to an end, they skip over or skimp on some (or all) of the gear that no experienced paddler or raft would ever think of going without.

Which leads to the last point. Do you have the knowledge and skills to safely do what you are considering? If not, please please make classes your first purchase! Ask your family what your life is worth and take what ever classes you need and spend the money on the best gear that you can afford, especially safety-related gear. I have taught both flatwater and whitewater classes and I am still taking classes. It is important to keep one’s skills up and you always learn something, especially as new gear and techniques are developed. I would highly recommend a pack rafting class and if you haven’t ever taken Swiftwater rescue, taking one would be important and even better if you can take a packrafting or kayak focused one. Heck, just this spring, I am signed up for a 4 different classes as refreshers, although I know I will learn some new skills too.

Let me know if you have any other questions!
Thanks! I'll call them, that's a great idea.

Good points, especially on the rescue stuff. Was for sure going to bring the throw bag, but I'll now bring a few prusiks, biners and pulleys along as well.

Question, I wasn't planning on fishing with the boat tethered, or from the boat but instead bringing a mesh bag to fill with rocks to anchor in slow edge water. Just use the raft to get from place to place to get out and fish. Any issues you can think of with anchoring the raft in soft edge of river type spots?
 
Thanks! I'll call them, that's a great idea.

Good points, especially on the rescue stuff. Was for sure going to bring the throw bag, but I'll now bring a few prusiks, biners and pulleys along as well.

Question, I wasn't planning on fishing with the boat tethered, or from the boat but instead bringing a mesh bag to fill with rocks to anchor in slow edge water. Just use the raft to get from place to place to get out and fish. Any issues you can think of with anchoring the raft in soft edge of river type spots?

The soft mesh bag could work but keep in mind, the unloaded boats are giant sails. If it were me and I were going to go the mesh bag route, I would bring two and anchor the bow and stern. If you only used one attachment point, I would be afraid that a huge wind gust could pick up the other end of the boat and rip off or damage your attachment point. If you do decide to do only one mesh bag/attachment point, I would consider adding some heavy shock cord somewhere in the system or just use a cow tail so that you have some strain relief.
 
Like Freestone, I have 3 Alpacka packrafts. Unlike Freestone, I'm not near the expert she is. I don't have the optional internal storage - it costs more and adds weight. I wanted mine to be light and backpackable. I use dry bags that I already had. Get a 4-piece paddle, the lightest you can find. Paddles are expensive. Packrafting is fun, but I only do the tamer rivers.
 
I have an Alpacka raft and would only use it on easier rivers because I do not have the skirt. First bit of advice, be careful getting in and out. Packrafts are small and squirrely. :) And as Freestone mentioned, they're also giant sails. I take mine out of the water when I stop and put plenty of heavy stuff inside the boat to prevent it from moving if it's windy. I also break down my rods and don't travel with exposed hooks inside the raft - unlike my Watermaster these things only have one bladder. If I get a leak in my Watermaster, I still have one full badder to keep me afloat. No such luck in the packraft. I carry UV seal for small leaks and a less expensive packraft in the event of a more major puncture so I can float out on my own. Ditto a spare paddle. They're a blast, but you have to be prepared.
 
Anyone have any experience with these?
Been fixing to get one for a while and probably going to pull the trigger here soon on the Caribou model.

Curious if anyone has one and what their thoughts are on the accessories. The bow bag, cargo fly inernal dry bags and paddles have me questioning if they are any good or if I just use my own bags and get a paddle somewhere else.
There is an Alpacka demo day on the Snoqualmie on April 16th. It might be a good place to go check them out if you are local. If not, I would check with Alpacka about other similar events.


In July, there is also the annual American Packrafting Association packrafting event on the Payette and there will undoubtedly be lots of different boats to check out as well as classes.

 
Anyone have any experience with these?
Been fixing to get one for a while and probably going to pull the trigger here soon on the Caribou model.

Curious if anyone has one and what their thoughts are on the accessories. The bow bag, cargo fly inernal dry bags and paddles have me questioning if they are any good or if I just use my own bags and get a paddle somewhere else.
I used one for an eight day float trip on two rivers in the Arctic. We rented from an outfit in Anchorage. The rafts that allow internal gear storage increase stability by lowering center of gravity. You really can’t fish out of them in moving water - lakes possibly. They’re good for transport of gear in remote locations.
 
I did a float with the guy who makes (made?) these for fishing from a pack raft. He was tossing spinners while floating down the Sauk and Skagit.
 
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