NFR 2024 Garden and Growing Things thread

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My gardening season is good and bad. I've puttered around with gardening in the past but paid a lot more attention to it this year. Still, I made some mistakes.

I have four nets with about 6" spaces, that are about 6' wide and 15' long for climbing plants. I created a sort of pup tent with 6-8' sticks and draped the netting over it. Well, I didn't really plan that getting inside and in between those four pup tents was going to be so tough. But the beans, at least three types, are in there, and I have been going into that jungle to harvest. I've got long beans, scarlet runners, Kentucky Wonder (which I honestly like best).

90% of my yellow pear and red cherry tomatoes got eaten by chipmunks/ground squirrels. I had them securely behind chicken wire, but they have little issue squeezing through it; I've watched them do it. IF I grow tomatoes next year, I will create cages with 1/4" hardware cloth, extending well under the ground. I would have had hundreds of tomatoes, as the plants did really well.

I planted my onions too shallow(ly?) and too close to each other. I actually did really well with onions, about 60 each of yellow and reds, and some were good sized, and most usable, some were pingpong ball-sized.

I got over 150 heads of garlic, but I didn't clean mine nearly as nicely as Shawn Seeger! I pickled three quarts, and they should be ready in a week or so.

Sweet peas were a mixed success, again, I planted too many in a small space and they got out of control.

After I harvested my garlic, I immediately tilled the soil and planted bush bean seeds that I had let soak overnight. Out of forty planted, three sprouted. I have no idea why, but I was planning on a late harvest of wax beans.

I've got a few gourd-type plants that I got from seeds my wife imported from China this spring. The loofa really has not developed quickly at all, but has finally put out one gourd, only gherkin-sized so far. I have some English cucumbers that are doing well, with one or two coming ripe each week. I also have some normal cucumbers climbing poles, which they seem to really like, if their daily 6" growth is any sign.

I have serious predation issues, mostly from ground squirrels, chipmunks, whatever they're called. They're all over the place. The bigger gray squirrels are also a nuisance, but I don't see them attacking my crops as much. The bigger guys, racoons, possums, skunks (all in my yard last night, according to my trail cam) leave it alone. My son walked out to the driveway a couple weeks ago to see a deer contentedly munching on one of my tomatoes that were in a container out front.

Next year will be better, but this year was a qualified success.
 
Shade cloth questions:
1. Is the main purpose to stop heat as opposed to sun light?
2. Should crops like lettuce be completely shaded?
3. Here in NCW the heat kicks in between noon and 4:00 p.m. That said, should shade mainly stop sun coming from the west?
4. With temps in the 100s becoming more and more common should shade cloth percent be greater than 50%?
5. What do you use for stakes and how high should the shade cloth be above the tallest plant?

I would love to see your shaded garden pics for further advice.
 
Going to need a machete pretty soon to access the tomato room. With the marine influence up here I can't get them to do well outside.

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Pruning in your situation would be some sucker removal to control breadth but not too much because it will play out to be why the indeterminate growers are just that- however topping and tip pruning would be the ticket this month according to your length of productive growing season.
 
Trombocini lots that I need to find homes for . We have eaten a few meals comprised of them. Tall tomato plants and only green tomatoes thus far. Picking corbaci, corn di Toro and lemon aji peppers, and of course saving seed for next season. Herb drying, gigante parsley, freench tarragon, marjoram, zatar oregano, and officialis. A few types of basil that is doing well. Lettuce leaf basil , Genovese and a others. Picking gold marie and dragons tongue pole beans with violet podded stringless just kicking in. The filderkraut cabbage are continuing to head. Elephant garlic has been harvested dried and divided to be planted for next season. Mammoth fernleaf dill is close to first harvest for drying. Pingting eggplant is very slowly catching up. We will see. Areas emptied has biennial purple sprouting broccoli getting its first real leaves for next early spring harvest. My spraying schedule is constant with white oil for cabbage worms about every 2-3 days as something has been nibbling the filderkraut. No sign of my saffron crocus yet but that is typical until late September.
 
Salmo_g
I saw the “wow” comment so I thought I could explain. I may be a bit ocd about some things not in a neat tidy sort of way but I do tend to excell at keeping busy. I plan stuff. Perhaps because my career taught me to be this way?
 
Salmo_g
I saw the “wow” comment so I thought I could explain. I may be a bit ocd about some things not in a neat tidy sort of way but I do tend to excell at keeping busy. I plan stuff. Perhaps because my career taught me to be this way?
The wow was in response to the choices and varieties of things you plant and doing it all in containers. And what's with trombocini squash? Of all the varieties, why this? I never heard of it until you mentioned it in a previous garden season. And so many different kinds of beans. I wouldn't know how to find uses for them all. I'm happy to have my green beans doing well again this season.
 
The wow was in response to the choices and varieties of things you plant and doing it all in containers. And what's with trombocini squash? Of all the varieties, why this? I never heard of it until you mentioned it in a previous garden season. And so many different kinds of beans. I wouldn't know how to find uses for them all. I'm happy to have my green beans doing well again this season.
 
The wow was in response to the choices and varieties of things you plant and doing it all in containers. And what's with trombocini squash? Of all the varieties, why this? I never heard of it until you mentioned it in a previous garden season. And so many different kinds of beans. I wouldn't know how to find uses for them all. I'm happy to have my green beans doing well again this season.
 
I have chosen varieties of non hybrid, untreated varieties that I save aeed from year after year. 25-40 years-ish. The trombocini seed I got from an Italian museum curator I worked at the museum with. He was a good friend. That was the mid 80’s. It is by far the best tasting summer squash I have grown. Never mushy. The beans are always pole types. Be they shelling , fresh pod or dry. I also love Japanese Yamato climbing cucumbers. I save seed year after year. I believe in a diverse collection from origins of similar latitude to where I grow. Did you know that saving seed annually gradually acclimatizes your saved seed source to grow better each year in your region? The level of love I have for all this work of gardening can be explained but perhaps not fully understood. I started organic gardening in college when I lived in Bellingham Wa near WWU in 1978. Reading organic gardening books and experimenting with various ideas of composting , solar assist methods, companion planting and many other trellising methods and soil amendments. A lot of years and a lot of stuff. I am absorbed by gardening…perhaps a bit nuts. My varieties from around the world are all heirloom aside from pretty potted begonias and such. My approach is comparatively simpler than decades ago.so to answer why?in regards to what I grow… it is what I like best and it makes me happy.
 
Not sure if this is the best place to pose this question. I absolutely love this all too brief window when I can get really good corn on the cob. Tender, sweet and completely unlike what is normally found in a typical grocery store. Has anyone found a way to take advantage of this fleeting bounty and in some way save it for when it is not available. Freeze on the cob, blanch, cut off and freeze, freeze as is? any suggestions would be appreciated. I know it won't be exactly the same but it has to be better than then off season options.
 
My gardening season is good and bad. I've puttered around with gardening in the past but paid a lot more attention to it this year. Still, I made some mistakes.

I have four nets with about 6" spaces, that are about 6' wide and 15' long for climbing plants. I created a sort of pup tent with 6-8' sticks and draped the netting over it. Well, I didn't really plan that getting inside and in between those four pup tents was going to be so tough. But the beans, at least three types, are in there, and I have been going into that jungle to harvest. I've got long beans, scarlet runners, Kentucky Wonder (which I honestly like best).

90% of my yellow pear and red cherry tomatoes got eaten by chipmunks/ground squirrels. I had them securely behind chicken wire, but they have little issue squeezing through it; I've watched them do it. IF I grow tomatoes next year, I will create cages with 1/4" hardware cloth, extending well under the ground. I would have had hundreds of tomatoes, as the plants did really well.

I planted my onions too shallow(ly?) and too close to each other. I actually did really well with onions, about 60 each of yellow and reds, and some were good sized, and most usable, some were pingpong ball-sized.

I got over 150 heads of garlic, but I didn't clean mine nearly as nicely as Shawn Seeger! I pickled three quarts, and they should be ready in a week or so.

Sweet peas were a mixed success, again, I planted too many in a small space and they got out of control.

After I harvested my garlic, I immediately tilled the soil and planted bush bean seeds that I had let soak overnight. Out of forty planted, three sprouted. I have no idea why, but I was planning on a late harvest of wax beans.

I've got a few gourd-type plants that I got from seeds my wife imported from China this spring. The loofa really has not developed quickly at all, but has finally put out one gourd, only gherkin-sized so far. I have some English cucumbers that are doing well, with one or two coming ripe each week. I also have some normal cucumbers climbing poles, which they seem to really like, if their daily 6" growth is any sign.

I have serious predation issues, mostly from ground squirrels, chipmunks, whatever they're called. They're all over the place. The bigger gray squirrels are also a nuisance, but I don't see them attacking my crops as much. The bigger guys, racoons, possums, skunks (all in my yard last night, according to my trail cam) leave it alone. My son walked out to the driveway a couple weeks ago to see a deer contentedly munching on one of my tomatoes that were in a container out front.

Next year will be better, but this year was a qualified success.
I built stout raised boxes of amended soil . Framed the vertically. Hinged acces to weed and pick veg …covered with1/2” galv gridded hardware cloth. Bought a lot built a lot. My security system, racoons squirrels etc
 
Garlic growers: is there a flavor difference between fresh garlic and cured garlic?

How much better is the stuff you grow versus what they sell at Safeway?
 
Garlic growers: is there a flavor difference between fresh garlic and cured garlic?

How much better is the stuff you grow versus what they sell at Safeway?
I am not sure what tastes better. Seems like if you garden and love to and are aware of the companion planting aspects of garlic and insect repelling with garlic you would grow them. It is one of the simplest plants to grow. Just manage it by breaking off the scapes so as not to have seed production pull nutrients from the cloves.i grow a lot of elephant garlic , duganski, Egyptian walking onions, and the weird little top setting garlic. It is fun. The truth is it is a huge challenge if it is about avoiding buying veg by growing enough. Do it because it is an enjoyable past time. I have never done a tasting of Safeway garlic and home grown at the same time with a sort of taste test to see which you like better.
 
I am not sure what tastes better. Seems like if you garden and love to and are aware of the companion planting aspects of garlic and insect repelling with garlic you would grow them. It is one of the simplest plants to grow. Just manage it by breaking off the scapes so as not to have seed production pull nutrients from the cloves.i grow a lot of elephant garlic , duganski, Egyptian walking onions, and the weird little top setting garlic. It is fun. The truth is it is a huge challenge if it is about avoiding buying veg by growing enough. Do it because it is an enjoyable past time. I have never done a tasting of Safeway garlic and home grown at the same time with a sort of taste test to see which you like better.
Cured garlic has a mellower and smoother taste . Fresh dug garlic has a sharper more “biting” taste. It is worth the week or so to hang them up to mellow
 
Garlic growers: is there a flavor difference between fresh garlic and cured garlic?

How much better is the stuff you grow versus what they sell at Safeway?
To be clear, when I say "cure" I mean the normal latency time after harvest and before eating. Fresh garlic out of the ground is rather tasteless - to develop the flavor the harvested plant needs time to dry, which draws back all the garlicky goodness of the leaves into the bulb (of which the leaves are merely extensions).

To your question of "how much better", that's sort of apples to oranges. The vast majority of chain-store grocers sell softneck garlic, and most folks who grow their own grow hardneck varieties. We grew Khabar, Music, Montana Zemo, Rosewood, and Georgian Crystal this year - Rosewood and Khabar are new to us so we're looking forward to seeing how they turned out, but the others we've grow for awhile now. My personal fave is Music, which produces 4-5 fat-ass cloves per bulb and is hot as hell when eaten raw. It chills out a bit when cooked, and has an amazing flavor when roasted. IMO, grocery store garlic is a distant second to any hardneck.
 
To be clear, when I say "cure" I mean the normal latency time after harvest and before eating. Fresh garlic out of the ground is rather tasteless - to develop the flavor the harvested plant needs time to dry, which draws back all the garlicky goodness of the leaves into the bulb (of which the leaves are merely extensions).

To your question of "how much better", that's sort of apples to oranges. The vast majority of chain-store grocers sell softneck garlic, and most folks who grow their own grow hardneck varieties. We grew Khabar, Music, Montana Zemo, Rosewood, and Georgian Crystal this year - Rosewood and Khabar are new to us so we're looking forward to seeing how they turned out, but the others we've grow for awhile now. My personal fave is Music, which produces 4-5 fat-ass cloves per bulb and is hot as hell when eaten raw. It chills out a bit when cooked, and has an amazing flavor when roasted. IMO, grocery store garlic is a distant second to any hardneck.
Great response, thank you. When my kids get older and we use the yard differently, maybe I'll expand where I can grow edibles. As it is, I grow herbs, and tomatoes in containers. For those plants, what I grow is way better than what I can buy, mainly due to freshness I think. I have grown lettuces recently, and for the effort I put in, I was not too impressed with the ROI versus the commodity stuff. We eat a lot of greens and I don't have the space or time to keep up.
 
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