Paige
Wishing I was fishing the Sauk
I used to go occasionally with the old man, even he stoped as he saw the lack of accountability/action from WDFW
Tribes fish and WDFW roll over again.
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I used to go occasionally with the old man, even he stoped as he saw the lack of accountability/action from WDFW
Yeah I always see em deploying their handwoven nets in canoes dugout from large cedar trees.
I’ve never ever ever seen em in a modern boat with 3 250’s on the back.
They’re not solely responsible but you don’t think indiscriminate netting of rivers is a contributing factor to the decline in salmon and steelhead populations?
Rob Allen
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WDFW should look out for the People of Washington and tell the Feds to go pound sand..
Also this is why oppose any more listings regardless of the condition of the runs
It just doesn't do any good. Yeah it opens up some federal funding but I have yet to see that funding accomplish anything, might be a lot different if we weren't fighting ocean survival.
Let people fish empty rivers if they want to.
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I Appreciate this perspectiive. I understand wanting to change the paradigm.
WHat do you think can/ should be expected as an end result?
I have thought this through a bunch. If they decided to go it on their own with NMFS, what would the most likelt result be? Why would the result be likely to be better.
The reasoning that "The devil you know is better than the devel you don't" is hardwired into state and local goverment. Agencies and employees are risk adverse. Since there is little reward for success and personal attacks for failure, it makes sense. It also keeps these agencies from being creative. Creative minds may just be better suited for free market enterprise.
I Have never been able to forecast a better outcome from the state getting their own permit. I would love to read a more optimistic progostication and would love to find those reasons for optimism.
I work for a local government agency. I have also worked in private buisiness. It is a lot more acceptable to take risks in private buisiness. If the state were to take such a risk, they would need to have some understanding of the probable outcome. I suspect that the decision makers at the state level either don't like the probable outcome of seeking their own permit or they truly view it as an unknown.
This is a long winded way of saying that if you want that change, you may need to do the work of forecasting the most probable scenarios and then lobbying for the action. In some ways, that is what was done by WW, SG, Curt et al. In getting the Skagit opened. The permit path was shown. The numbers were shown, the logic expressed and the commission was lobbied using that information.
I am also curious as to how this wildlife commission would react. Do they value having a shared destiny with the tribes. Would they be willing to take a risk in an effort to secure more oportunity? Do they care about fishing oportunities? I think that they share a lot of views with WFC and TCA as far as what the role of the department should be. I am not sure if that is good or bad in this case.
I live in the land of reality. Tell the feds to go pound sand would not only not work, it would not be very popular.
Of all the stupid thoughtless ideas that people have written on fishing boards this one may be the least connected to reality.
There are almost 8 million people in Wa state. Your plan would be popular with about 300 of them.
Rob Allen
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There are 300 people who would oppose keeping the rivers open and the rest wouldn't care either way or even know it's an issue.
Zak
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Hey now, be nice. I would have gone with something like: "Interesting suggestion. I expect folks will give it the consideration it deserves."
I would think that the vast majority would care that their state agencies to comply with ESA.
Flymph
Steelhead
Exactly! Much like another group of mammals - - - not?
Rob Allen
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They don't care about other vastly more important federal laws...
I'd be willing to bet that at least 3/4 of Washington state voters know what ESA even is.
......or care. Some of the same folk swear that spotted owls taste like chicken.
Rob Allen
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Most wouldn't even know why that "joke" is "funny"¹
Some would demand their own "safe space" for even the thought.
I'll take your bet. What's the wager?
Lake flyer
Smolt
We trolls in the mitten have no intention of invading WA.Michiganders...
Yoopers or trolls ?
Flymph
Steelhead
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Rob Allen
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No actually what I said is that most people don't even know there is something to look at..
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