Yeah, "they" were colonizing this place before"we" were.
Tribes fish and WDFW roll over again.
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How is it different/more political to address my question than to say that everyone has had equal benefits? I'm just asking if everyone has had equal harm done to them, and if it matters if they haven't.
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I'm protesting (mostly peacefully of course).
What do I want!!?? ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE!!
When do I want it!!?? NOW!!
What do I want!!?? ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE!!
When do I want it!!?? NOW!!
Rob Allen
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Sorry cannot go there. If you really want to talk about it DM me..
pm sent
Paige
Wishing I was fishing the Sauk
Like I have said, I have zero issue with tribal fishing, ceremonial or comercial.
My problem is the state rolling over to anything the tribes say, with zero conservation benefits, like the Stilly and now the Sky.
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Yeah you’re right. I’m not commenting on the pro or con just that it existed. I love that river. I’ve hiked it, boated it, fished it. Along with a few other folks we were the first to boat from the old upper dam site to the mouth. I watched the entire process of radical change from on the river during the dam removal and saw some of the first returning anadromous fish when the river was silt laden and had a mineral smell you could taste.
The return or non return of salmon/steelhead is more complex than I can comprehend, especially in light of the loss of runs on other OP rivers with pristine watersheds.
Look at this thread. I’m pretty sure we all want to see healthy runs but people are getting kinda nasty (no fingers pointing). I’m just hoping we can work with the entities that have control towards a better, even if not perfect, outcome.
My bigger point was that I don’t feel the tribes are the enemy and have been and still could be the most influential partner in rehabilitation.
It is seldom a responsible use of taxpayer monies to pursue a legally untenable goal to appease the personal interests of a small group. Success is highly unlikely and the end result is most often further distrust and solidification of broken relationships.
I’m pretty sure the fee I would charge in order to put myself through that frustration is well beyond what anyone is willing to pay.
Profits are unpaid wages. Do it for justice. Do it for what's right. Do it cause it needs doing. Do it for your comrades.
Besides, the wolf lady was raking it in and she doesn't seem any more in touch or talented than yourself. The WDFW was more than happy to pay her an exorbitant fee.
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That makes two of us. I fully support tribal treaty rights to fish. I don't support a totally impotent WDFW that feigns leadership and co management. I don't support the abuse of the "ceremonial" fisheries concept unless they are actually that. If you're gonna do it just say you're gonna do it cause the WDFW isn't going to do anything about it anyway so let's be honest about it and say what it is. I also don't support labelling stuff sustainable when it's clearly not. That gripe goes well beyond the tribes and their fishing over failing runs and calling that product sustainable.
If it’s that important to you, you’re free to do it yourself.
What would you like the state to do?
singlehandjay
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Rob Allen
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Simple... stop promoting this as a successful restoration.... that's all.. it's a hatchery/ harvest program.. same as we have had for many decades, approaching a. century.. at least that's my gripe..
singlehandjay
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Actually the ONLY people who can help save the fish are Native Americans. They are the only people with a say that's louder and stronger than anyone's and have the Federal government backing them up as well as the state bending over backwards
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