NFR "The Hypocrite" TGR film about advocacy/fossil fuels/Outdoor State

[Flymph]

Little history: Corn ethanol was never intended as an end-game for biofuels, it was just a convenient starter crop, proof of concept. Corn was chosen because the crop breeding was mature, farmers could grow it, production / fermentation were scalable, and it was politically palatable. But corn was never the goal, it’s energetic inefficiency was known since Pimentel’s work in the 1970s. DOE knew this and stated upfront a desire to start with corn (for convenience) and then transition to more efficient feedstocks (like switchgrass, which produces far more ethanol than corn per acre, and also grows well on marginal land). Yet here we are. Change is hard, even in “renewable” energy.

Wasn't this Bush 2's answer to his lawyer's new term "Climate Change". You know the lawyers it didn't like the term Global Warming. The water involved with raising enough corn to make this happen . . . . . .

 

[SSPey]

Frank Luntz

 

[O' Clarkii Stomias]

Wasn't this Bush 2's answer to his lawyer's new term "Climate Change". You know the lawyers it didn't like the term Global Warming. The water involved with raising enough corn to make this happen . . . . . .

Yeah, if there is a shortage of one thing on the planet, it's fresh water. It doesn't make much sense turning fresh water indirectly into fuel. Plus even low percentage blends of biofuel into gasoline, diesel, or jet fuel has a significant increase in the amount of NOx in the exhaust stream.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

Just because you believe that, doesn't make it so. The government gets revenue from many things that aren't taxpayer dollars. You should read up on it.

False. I'm not going to go here with you but I'll leave you with this. There is not a single dime the government has ever produced that did not originate with taxpayer funds. You can obfuscate that any way you want but it doesn't make your statement true. Perhaps you should maybe do some reading as well. A history of the government, taxes, the fed, the government owning land etc. Bottom line is government produces nothing. The nature of government is parasitic not productive no matter how much you want to believe otherwise. All capital made and spent by government originated with value produced by a taxpayer.

 

[Flymph]

False. I'm not going to go here with you but I'll leave you with this. There is not a single dime the government has ever produced that did not originate with taxpayer funds. You can obfuscate that any way you want but it doesn't make your statement true. Perhaps you should maybe do some reading as well. A history of the government, taxes, the fed, the government owning land etc. Bottom line is government produces nothing. The nature of government is parasitic not productive no matter how much you want to believe otherwise. All capital made and spent by government originated with value produced by a taxpayer.

But . . . haven't taxpayers been replaced by Cultgivers? It's waaaaay more profitable and you can continue to cut the hell out of taxes for the filthy rich! "Trickle down, Flood up"

 

[SSPey]

Wasn't this Bush 2's answer to his lawyer's new term "Climate Change". You know the lawyers it didn't like the term Global Warming. The water involved with raising enough corn to make this happen . . . . . .

The enshrinement of corn ethanol as de facto national policy also occurred at this time, under the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. Eventual transition to non-corn was stipulated, too, but has failed. An example where systemic change has failed to occur, even when legislated.

 

[O' Clarkii Stomias]

But . . . haven't taxpayers been replaced by Cultgivers? It's waaaaay more profitable and you can continue to cut the hell out of taxes for the filthy rich! "Trickle down, Flood up"

There we go........ In before the lock

 

[Dustin Chromers]

But . . . haven't taxpayers been replaced by Cultgivers? It's waaaaay more profitable and you can continue to cut the hell out of taxes for the filthy rich! "Trickle down, Flood up"

Not today NPR platinum donor mug talking points. Not today. You and Matt can have the obsfucated and unrelated. We're learning about the wonders of corn gas over here.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

The enshrinement of corn ethanol as de facto national policy also occurred at this time, under the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. Eventual transition to non-corn was stipulated, too, but has failed. An example where systemic change has failed to occur, even when legislated.

Brazil I believe uses sugar cane to produce ethanol. We don't hear much about it but their vehicles have been running a high concentration mixture for a long time.

 

[Mossback]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/brazilian-sugarcane-ethanol

 

[Flymph]

Not today NPR platinum donor mug talking points. Not today. You and Matt can have the obsfucated and unrelated. We're learning about the wonders of corn gas over here.

That would be "Free Speech TV" with no corporate sponsors. You should try it, as it would set you free from all the Government buraracy you keep complaining about.

 

[Rob Allen]

wrong...In 2023, wind represents 29% of Texas ( the only state which does not participate in the national electric grid) energy generation, second only to natural gas. At last count they had 15,300 wind turbines, the most of any state, surpassing nuke and coal, and are continually building more.

As to subsidized costs of oil. The US spends 81 billion each to year to protect it's oil interests around the world, not counting the loss of US soldiers. 7000 Americans killed fighting the Sand Wars over the past two decades, our war machine in place consuming 25 millions barrels of oil each year doing so... the scumbags selling us the oil for a profit while using our boys to protect their interests which their own people won't.

Anyone really think if it wasn't for oil we'd give a flying F about the middle east?

Yeah, they are building them as fast as they can. Because of subsidies.. the companies are not making money on them.

This country has wasted a lot more men and money fighting jungle wars for far less noble reasons than protecting oil assets around the world which are of vital importance.
For instance, just to win elections.

81 billion is a bargain.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

That would be "Free Speech TV" with no corporate sponsors. You should try it, as it would set you free from all the Government buraracy you keep complaining about.

Flymph, Terry here. Please, not today. I'm not addressing these issues today. I've got to get ready for bird note and all things considered.

 

[Mossback]

Our dogs love Bird Notes..
They cock their heads and listen to the birds tweeting. I like it too, as watching the dogs reaction is far more entertaining than TV, or a lot of other things for that matter. Fun 5 minutes if I am home to watch

This country has wasted a lot more men and money fighting jungle wars for far less noble reasons than protecting oil assets around the world which are of vital importance.

Logical fallacy, 10 post penalty, loss of down.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

Our dogs love Bird Notes..
They cock their heads and listen to the birds tweeting. I like it too, as watching the dogs reaction is far more entertaining than TV, or a lot of other things for that matter.

I mean at least you guys can't accuse me of getting all my news from fox news.

 

[Mossback]

 

[Matt Paluch]

False. I'm not going to go here with you but I'll leave you with this. There is not a single dime the government has ever produced that did not originate with taxpayer funds. You can obfuscate that any way you want but it doesn't make your statement true. Perhaps you should maybe do some reading as well. A history of the government, taxes, the fed, the government owning land etc. Bottom line is government produces nothing. The nature of government is parasitic not productive no matter how much you want to believe otherwise. All capital made and spent by government originated with value produced by a taxpayer.

I've already given examples of revenue the government receives that did not originate with taxes. Royalties and fees received from the use of public land and federal waters did not originate with taxpayers unless taxpayers money was used to purchase the land.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

I've already given examples of revenue the government receives that did not originate with taxes. Royalties and fees received from the use of public land and federal waters did not originate with taxpayers unless taxpayers money was used to purchase the land.

Matt......... Just stop....... Listen to my soothing whisper voice, pour a craft sake, and let it go. We got some great jazz coming up in the next hour........... And if you don't. Well I will begin to slowly remove my clothing. Will that distract you from this fallacy? Well? Will it?

 

[Flymph]

NPR, the radio and podcasting giant, does not run traditional advertisements, but nearly one-third of its revenue has come from corporate sponsors like Angie’s List, General Motors, State Farm and Trader Joe’s. Many a long trip home from fishing excursions I have enjoyed "Wait Wait, don't tell me", and "Prarie Home Companion". A lot of the earlier shows are gone and missed.

 

[JS]

I've already given examples of revenue the government receives that did not originate with taxes. Royalties and fees received from the use of public land and federal waters did not originate with taxpayers unless taxpayers money was used to purchase the land.

You mean the public land and waterways that we the citizens own but are held in trust by government?