Agree, that’s a really beautiful shot.
We're only posting articles to facebook. There's no danger of any of us posting anyone's content without their knowledge over there. The only "facebook types" who would likely stumble on this thread would be ones who sign up for the site after reading one of the articles.Pulling photos until I see what this Facebook connection to this site is all about. Looks like if someone adds this topic once via Facebook, it brings easy access to Facebook users who can drag and take the photos easily. To me that is a little too easy. Maybe they need to close outside people from seeing our content unless they are members?
Again, will wait and walk this through before I post more.
Pulling photos until I see what this Facebook connection to this site is all about. Looks like if someone adds this topic once via Facebook, it brings easy access to Facebook users who can drag and take the photos easily. To me that is a little too easy. Maybe they need to close outside people from seeing our content unless they are members?
Again, will wait and walk this through before I post more.
Thanks for the heads-up re: this possibility. I won't be posting any photos until this concern is resolved. If I wanted to post my content on Facebook, I'd join Facebook. That isn't going to happen.
he only way to keep photos away from people who might use them
As stated above, thank you both for the responses and explanations. That being said, I don't view raising a potential concern regarding the referenced change to be "derailing" the thread.I don't want to de-rail this thread anymore than we have already, but want to end with this (I will copy this to the FB thread, too)
I don't think Evan was crapping on anyone for bringing the topic up. More just pointing out that people visit this thread for bird photos, and anyone looking for the site's stance on protecting images isn't going t be looking here in the future.As stated above, thank you both for the responses and explanations. That being said, I don't view raising a potential concern regarding the referenced change to be "derailing" the thread.
We were able to use 1000s of freely available images of Osprey catching fish to write a science paper on it:
We were able to use 1000s of freely available images of Osprey catching fish to write a science paper on it:
Google images was one of our main sources. Not saying that makes anyone any more comfortable about pushing images onto the net, but rather sometimes good things can come out of peoples benevolent sharing.
We contacted all the photographers for study permission that had put photos up on facebook, but the ones who we used through google images, or Bing images or whatever we could not because there was often no contact details. Regardless, of the people contacted 99% were fine with us using their pic. The pics above were from a photographer who gave free use, and when I gave some talks about this later, a second photographer was also fine with using for free.
This paper made zero money for any of us, we paid for no-one for their photo data, in fact, when it comes to publishing fees, time etc we took, as usual, a big loss on it. But man was it fun. 90% of my published research has been with zero funding, the rest, it's industry sponsored and we are an enrolling site and I am not acting as first or last author. I am always on the lookout to get good data quickly and efficiently, the internet has been a huge boon for that.
The other thing I have noted on some of the Facebook bird groups is when a photo is ripped off and used by others, the outing of the "photographer" who stole the work is pretty brutal. That and man, some of the facebook birding group members can be super petty and righteous in a way that can be a huge turnoff.
Good points (and paper!) @Wadin' Boot . Am with you 100%. I also have a problem with people getting super protective over non-unique, general subject photographs that took 1/500th of a second to take, often faster. Some on Facebook slap giant signatures on their photos as if they'd sculpted the creature from marble themselves, ala Michelangelo, or created the creature in a lab with one single DNA strand. Sort of crazy !We were able to use 1000s of freely available images of Osprey catching fish to write a science paper on it:
Google images was one of our main sources. Not saying that makes anyone any more comfortable about pushing images onto the net, but rather sometimes good things can come out of peoples benevolent sharing.
We contacted all the photographers for study permission that had put photos up on facebook, but the ones who we used through google images, or Bing images or whatever we could not because there was often no contact details. Regardless, of the people contacted 99% were fine with us using their pic. The pics above were from a photographer who gave free use, and when I gave some talks about this later, a second photographer was also fine with using for free.
This paper made zero money for any of us, we paid for no-one for their photo data, in fact, when it comes to publishing fees, time etc we took, as usual, a big loss on it. But man was it fun. 90% of my published research has been with zero funding, the rest, it's industry sponsored and we are an enrolling site and I am not acting as first or last author. I am always on the lookout to get good data quickly and efficiently, the internet has been a huge boon for that.
The other thing I have noted on some of the Facebook bird groups is when a photo is ripped off and used by others, the outing of the "photographer" who stole the work is pretty brutal. That and man, some of the facebook birding group members can be super petty and righteous in a way that can be a huge turnoff.
I see quite a few attempts, and prey being eaten on a perch, but rarely see the successful kill in action. Often a blur, as you know !I have been fortunate to see two peregrine kills. One on Cano in Costa Rica, one in the Kent valley. A few Merlin kills too.
Nice pics!
Yes! I have been out and about here on our land or looking at perched eagles when suddenly you hear something out of nowhere that is like a loud shearing of the wind, like a roaring "sshhooowishhhhhhhhh" where you can really hear their wings biting into the wind with a high g-force banking. Not quiet, it is almost violent.It is a blur! On a well known eastside lake. Heard the stoop before I saw the bird, an unmistakable sound.