Rob Allen
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Almost nobody works for minimum wage..
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Rob Allen
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We need to demand higher standards for what we invest.
Math, reading, writing history and science are the core. AFTER we achieve good results there then we do art, music, and sports..
Just like our roads, we fix the ruts and potholes.... then you plant trees and flowers to make medians pretty..
Except America spends morebon education per student than any other country on the planet yet last time I checked we are 14th for the quality of our educational system.I don't know if higher taxes lead to lower poverty rates. It certainly goes against conventional wisdom.
I can think of scenarios where they could help. I have researched for data supporting these thoughts, but here goes:
If one were to show which states/ areas spend more on education, I think that you would see that it would mostly correlate with lower poverty rates. Education spending drives my state and local tax bill (property tax). We are pretty heavily taxed in B'ham. We have new schools all over. The town is growing rapidly. There are other reasons for the growth too, so it's hard to say for certain.
My curiosity is if the wealthier areas are more likely to tax themselves or if the areas that have better schools/ infrastructure due to higher taxes are better able to attract the people and therefore the businesses that allow for greater prosperity. It's a which comes first, the chicken or the egg scenario. It is probably a factor of many things, not just taxes. Alternatively, the reason that the South/ lower Mississippi valley has high poverty rates has nothing to do with taxation. The reason that NJ and Mass and Minn have low poverty rates have nothing to do with taxation. It's a correlation without any causation.
I have also considered that taxation rates may be an proxy for another factor that is the main driver such as a cultural trait endemic to a region or education. I am curious where this Five-Thirty-Eight series goes:
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Since voting has a direct correlation to taxation, who a region votes for will show their collective stance on taxes (and other things). If we then take that majority voter base and see what they believe in with regards to education or social safety nets, or Wal-Marts etc., then we may see a correlation at least. This could also explain why certain high tax areas don't have the poverty rates that would be expected, knowing that certain taxes hit low income earners more.
If this gas tax does lead to more electric cars on the road and electric cars are in fact how the country goes, it may be wise in the long run to have a population that has already transitioned. You would get the trend setter electric mechanics, dealerships, infrastructure etc. I am not sure that it would make up for $0.49 / gal. during the transition but maybe it's a good thing economically to be seen as leading the way. Maybe the population that is willing to change, and therefore willing to vote for a gas tax hiker, is the one better able to change. The only constant is change. This may get back to demographic trends predicting poverty rates/ affluence and not taxation.
These are my rambling thoughts. I am not nearly as funny as Chromers. I apologize for that.
We need to demand higher standards for what we invest.
Math, reading, writing history and science are the core. AFTER we achieve good results there then we do art, music, and sports..
Just like our roads, we fix the ruts and potholes.... then you plant trees and flowers to make medians pretty..
Yeah screw art school
Flymph
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In February 2021, the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics released a report stating that 247,000 workers in 2020 earned the actual federal minimum wage. In other words, these workers earned $7.25 per hour, which represents the current federal minimum wage.
Exactly. Anyone who needed to or planned to cash out this year or 3 years ago should not have been significantly impacted by what the stock market has done the last few years….good or bad. If they were, they were not making responsible investment decisions with money they planned to use short term.
Those of us not planning on touching it for some time were not impacted either…except for the opportunity now to buy at a discount.
I originally wrote a long response to this, but the fact that you wrote "We need to demand higher standards for what we invest" and "AFTER we achieve good results there then we do art, music, and sports.." suggests you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to education. But don't worry, you're not alone. Most of the folks criticizing our education system, and most of the folks writing the policies for that system, don't know what they're talking about either.
If you are interested in a real dialogue about education, I'd be happy to try and enlighten you some time. I don't care if you and I end up at the same opinion, and I'm sure as heck not out to change your mind, I just figure that we should all base our opinions on facts and valid comparisons.
Until then, I suggest you do some actual research before talking about it.
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charles sullivan
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Do you want to go down that road? I mean, it's clear that the states who fund education lead and those that don't lag. Do I need to show that in picture form? It's clear.
There is a strong correlation to a number of other social factors too. We can explore any number of them if you would like.
I am not a fairy tail guy. If you can show some data, I am happy to read and think. You wanna do the same?
There is a strong correlation to a number of other social factors too. We can explore any number of them if you would like.
I am not a fairy tail guy. If you can show some data, I am happy to read and think. You wanna do the same?
charles sullivan
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I suppose that you could make a case that there was a loss as to an asset you could borrow against.
Closer to retirement, my invesents will become far less volatile.
But how many of those were in the service industry working for tips?
Thank you! I was trying to make a proper response. Quit because you did such a good job...
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We have to pay min wage AND tips in Oregon. Which means high school kids making 14.75 + 50$-100$ a shift in tips, way more then I made as a teen working at fred meyer for 7.25/hr. Some states let you take wage out of the tips if you make more then min wage in tips/hour.
Rob Allen
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Utah spends the least on education ($14891)and comes in 11th foe educational achievement
New york spends 16% more per student ($24000)and comes in 16th...
There is more going on than just spending money... I am sure money plays a role
Home schooling costs between 700-1500 dollars per student per year and produces a higher percentage of college graduates, higher standardized test scores and fewer college drop outs.. and the food is better.
It's absolutely not about just spending money.
Lastly. If our current education system is RUN BY people who are experts in education maybe we need more people involved who are not experts in education
Probably true about all our government agencies. Also please note run by in all caps to emphasize I am not talking about teachers.
New york spends 16% more per student ($24000)and comes in 16th...
There is more going on than just spending money... I am sure money plays a role
Home schooling costs between 700-1500 dollars per student per year and produces a higher percentage of college graduates, higher standardized test scores and fewer college drop outs.. and the food is better.
It's absolutely not about just spending money.
Lastly. If our current education system is RUN BY people who are experts in education maybe we need more people involved who are not experts in education
Probably true about all our government agencies. Also please note run by in all caps to emphasize I am not talking about teachers.
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Homeschooling requires at least one parent be very invested in their child's success and typically does not happen for groups such as families with two incomes, single-parent households, and low-income households. It also doesn't often occur in households where English is a second language. So, you're not really comparing the same student demographics.
Homeschooling also requires the "teacher" to have the skill set and education necessary to impart whatever curriculum they have found. Many of the homeschooled children in my state, I don't have the research on hand but I believe it is most of them, have one or more parents with college degrees. Again, this is a difference in student demographics. Public school students don’t have nearly that same percentage of parents with higher education, and research has shown many times that parent education level is a major factor in child academic success.
Thirdly, I would be curious to know the high school graduation success rate of homeschooled students who graduate from their homeschool. College graduation rates only measure those who made it through college and leave out all those homeschooled students who did not attend college or even graduate high school. With roughly 72,000,000 students in public school, and roughly 3,000,000 in homeschool, you're looking at there being 24x more public school students. Very different numbers and with that can come skewed results and data.
I'm also curious to know by which metric you are ranking state education systems. By performance on state tests, where each state has different standards and many have set the bars really low compared to others? That's not an actual comparison. By graduation success rate, where each state has different requirements for graduation? By college achievement, where each state has different students and numbers of students attending college?
The United States is massive in both population and geography. Many of our states have areas and populations larger than many countries. This has led each state to basically design its own education system, teach its own very unique populations, and have different metrics for success, and see different outcomes.
Lastly, you're right that money isn't everything, but look at a map of states that spend the least and a map of k-12 success (literacy scores, hs graduation rates, etc). Then look at a map of low income (low median income) areas and states vs high income areas and states and look at academic success in those places. There is some correlation. Also, you’re comparing Utah to New York. A massive part of a school district’s budget is facilities. There is a big difference in cost between buildings, real estate, etc in New York and Utah. Again, it seems, your comparisons might not be fair.
As I said before, you're entitled to an opinion and I don't care whether it's the same as, different from, or completely opposed to my own. I just think we should all be basing opinions on facts, evidence, and valid comparisons.
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Home schooling costs don't factor in labor costs or infrastructure costs, just the materials delivered. It's a completely inappropriate comparison.
Much research has been conducted to show that wrap around services are more impactful at improving educational outcomes than any instruction that does happen. Those services often come from school budgets when in reality they are social support services. There is A LOT more nuance here
One spouse needs to stay home and do the teaching, in a country where both typically work.
So you have a 'cost' in lost income that at the federal minimum wage level is about 15k...close to double that in Washington.
63% of married with kids households are dual income, so when one quits to homeschool there's a cost...
I know lots of homeschoolers, it's popular out here...especially amongst...poorly educated, low income parents.
It is not always the bowl of cherries success stories as you claim, in many cases you have poorly educated/ flat out ignorant parents doing a poor job of educating children.
You show me the parent, and guessing the outcome for the childs educational path is not all that difficult...homeschool, private school or public.
Lack of parental engagement in the educational process, lack of parents own education, lack of stable home life are far better predictors of outcomes...
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You guys are getting way off topic here. I mean seriously what are any of YOU doing to prevent the spectre of carbon and combat climate change. Here is some people not so selfish as to complain about a modest increase in gas prices so the government can change the weather.
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Genius activists glue themselves to Porsche museum floor, then complain they're hungry
Within just hours the protestors complained the glue hurt their hand, they were cold and hungry, needed the bathroom, and that the lights had been turned off.
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I really like the stop oil now protestors, who block the road, causing (wait for it) cars to sit in idle for hours....burning more fossil fuels than necessary.....genius.You guys are getting way off topic here. I mean seriously what are any of YOU doing to prevent the spectre of carbon and combat climate change. Here is some people not so selfish as to complain about a modest increase in gas prices so the government can change the weather.
Genius activists glue themselves to Porsche museum floor, then complain they're hungry
Within just hours the protestors complained the glue hurt their hand, they were cold and hungry, needed the bathroom, and that the lights had been turned off.
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The homeschooled kids I know (and I know a lot) are the smartest most well adjusted, polite kids and all have a strong work ethic. Their parents sacrifice to give them an education way better then the corrupt, failing public school indoctrination centers.
With childcare costs so high many parents chose to have one spouse stay home because all the money they would make at a second job goes to childcare. That's what we did, might as well spend time with your kids and give them a better education. We chose private school route.
Regarding education 'success' comparisons between states...comparing the costs/results of states like Utah and NY is apples and oranges. Utah is a relatively homogenous state with a centralized education model, NY is a intensely multi-ethnic state with numerous teaching models reflecting the various ethnic communities, and so success rates per standardized testing ping pong around the different boroughs per language and teaching bias.
An important metric when discussing spending is the tax dollars states send to the fed's vs. the federal aid they recieve in return. The states at the top of the list receive far more $ from the fed's than they pay to them.
New Mexico, for example, receives back $3.69 from the feds for every dollar they send them. Convesely, Washington only receives back 56 cents for every dollar they send.
An important metric when discussing spending is the tax dollars states send to the fed's vs. the federal aid they recieve in return. The states at the top of the list receive far more $ from the fed's than they pay to them.
New Mexico, for example, receives back $3.69 from the feds for every dollar they send them. Convesely, Washington only receives back 56 cents for every dollar they send.
| Rank | State | Political Affiliation | Dependency Score | Return on Tax Dollars | Fed Fund % of State Revenues | GDP (in $M) |
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| 1 | New Mexico | Blue | 100.0 | $3.69 | 32.06% | $122,359 |
| 2 | West Virginia | Red | 89.5 | $3.09 | 34.07% | $96,724 |
| 3 | Mississippi | Red | 75.0 | $2.60 | 32.41% | $138,156 |
| 4 | Alaska | Red | 73.0 | $2.41 | 33.90% | $64,257 |
| 5 | Kentucky | Red | 57.8 | $1.89 | 32.20% | $258,293 |
| 6 | Vermont | Blue | 54.9 | $1.50 | 35.83% | $40,249 |
| 7 | Montana | Red | 50.8 | $1.59 | 32.13% | $64,757 |
| 8 | Arizona | Red | 49.8 | $1.71 | 30.07% | $453,602 |
| 9 | Maine | Blue | 47.2 | $1.72 | 28.27% | $83,514 |
| 10 | Alabama | Red | 46.2 | $1.80 | 26.61% | $275,396 |
| 11 | Louisiana | Red | 44.7 | $1.25 | 33.38% | $281,047 |
| 12 | Wyoming | Red | 38.8 | $1.11 | 31.87% | $48,044 |
| 13 | District of Columbia | Blue | 38.1 | $1.38 | 27.65% | $160,728 |
| 14 | South Carolina | Red | 37.4 | $1.71 | 22.71% | $292,932 |
| 15 | Oklahoma | Red | 34.9 | $1.50 | 24.19% | $242,303 |
| 16 | South Dakota | Red | 34.3 | $0.83 | 32.97% | $67,489 |
| 17 | Hawaii | Blue | 34.2 | $1.83 | 19.19% | $96,979 |
| 18 | Idaho | Red | 33.2 | $1.23 | 26.94% | $108,438 |
| 19 | North Dakota | Red | 28.6 | $1.12 | 25.68% | $74,745 |
| 20 | Rhode Island | Blue | 27.2 | $0.77 | 29.75% | $70,759 |
| 21 | Indiana | Red | 26.6 | $0.99 | 26.39% | $452,422 |
| 22 | Virginia | Blue | 25.1 | $1.47 | 18.93% | $642,755 |
| 23 | Maryland | Blue | 24.9 | $1.23 | 22.07% | $465,635 |
| 24 | Arkansas | Red | 24.8 | $0.78 | 28.17% | $163,779 |
| 25 | Michigan | Blue | 24.4 | $0.99 | 25.06% | $615,408 |
| 26 | New Hampshire | Blue | 23.3 | $0.94 | 25.17% | $104,172 |
| 27 | Missouri | Red | 21.7 | $0.85 | 25.50% | $386,397 |
| 28 | Oregon | Blue | 21.6 | $1.01 | 23.19% | $294,325 |
| 29 | Pennsylvania | Blue | 21.0 | $0.92 | 24.14% | $915,424 |
| 30 | Connecticut | Blue | 17.0 | $1.04 | 20.00% | $317,907 |
| 31 | North Carolina | Red | 16.6 | $0.89 | 21.97% | $723,163 |
| 32 | Delaware | Blue | 15.6 | $0.32 | 29.24% | $86,673 |
| 33 | Iowa | Red | 15.1 | $0.97 | 19.88% | $230,104 |
| 34 | Tennessee | Red | 14.6 | $0.78 | 22.32% | $469,938 |
| 35 | Texas | Red | 12.6 | $0.83 | 20.49% | $2,354,455 |
| 36 | New York | Blue | 11.7 | $0.74 | 21.06% | $2,034,912 |
| 37 | Nevada | Blue | 10.9 | $0.90 | 18.42% | $213,410 |
| 38 | Florida | Red | 10.6 | $0.77 | 20.00% | $1,371,468 |
| 39 | Georgia | Red | 10.3 | $0.85 | 18.77% | $747,535 |
| 40 | Kansas | Red | 9.9 | $0.87 | 18.26% | $209,272 |
| 41 | Ohio | Red | 8.6 | $0.62 | 20.95% | $817,627 |
| 42 | Minnesota | Blue | 8.1 | $0.69 | 19.68% | $442,528 |
| 43 | Massachusetts | Blue | 7.4 | $0.54 | 21.39% | $679,122 |
| 44 | Wisconsin | Blue | 5.5 | $0.84 | 16.09% | $398,850 |
| 45 | Nebraska | Red | 5.4 | $0.64 | 18.81% | $161,260 |
| 46 | Colorado | Blue | 5.0 | $0.83 | 15.93% | $480,828 |
| 47 | Utah | Red | 4.3 | $0.79 | 16.08% | $245,831 |
| 48 | California | Blue | 3.8 | $0.65 | 17.80% | $3,558,512 |
| 49 | Illinois | Blue | 3.2 | $0.60 | 18.08% | $1,024,019 |
| 50 | Washington | Blue | 0.4 | $0.63 | 16.00% | $717,336 |
| 51 | New Jersey | Blue | 0.0 | $0.56 | 16.79% | $737,654 |
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Driving less often/far (less road trips), buying vehicles with higher mpg when it comes time, using less plastic, growing a portion of my own food, consuming locally produced goods as often as possible, flying less than I want to, and hang drying laundry are a few things I that I do to reduce my personal carbon emissions. I do that while advocating for societal changes to lessen human driven climate change according to the best currently available research.You guys are getting way off topic here. I mean seriously what are any of YOU doing to prevent the spectre of carbon and combat climate change. Here is some people not so selfish as to complain about a modest increase in gas prices so the government can change the weather.
Genius activists glue themselves to Porsche museum floor, then complain they're hungry
Within just hours the protestors complained the glue hurt their hand, they were cold and hungry, needed the bathroom, and that the lights had been turned off.
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