Corner crossing

This one is a hard one as a land owner and sportsman.

First, remember it is the "POS" that ruin it for the rest of us.

Second, "IMHO" just because you don't like something doesn't mean you can break the law.

I have for years been only 1 of 3 that had permission to hunt and access a block of property that backs up to state and federal land (which does have access, but is about a 3 mile walk around). Again this year I confronted a POS that was blatantly trespassing, literally parked in front of private entrance gate, bow and "bucket" in hand and claimed he was "just harvesting pine cones to sell to seed companies (bucket was 3/4 full). While we talked, he gave me every excuse in the book and ultimately he slipped up and said "WHAT the land owner wants to kill all the elk himself!" that was when I told him it was really time for him to go! (He was reported to sheriff!)

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Note: the bow in passenger seat
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(Dashcam after discussion)
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(Side note if you don't know this term let me help "you live in the YOYO area" - from "local law enforcement" - Your On Your Own)

Then this year it hit home, 2 POS decided to cross a closed and posted gate using private driveway (landowner has easement agreement with state, and only state employees with prior notification are granted passage - I have the letter since I looked at buying the property), then shot a cow elk (in season/legal) at X then it crossed the fence into my property where it died at X. The POS never contacted either the neighbor or myself (knowing they did wrong). The POS also knew they were breaking the law because they found and tried to disable neighbors trail/driveway camera. The issue is most "hunters" don't venture more than 1 mile from the road, so since access to the clear-cuts behind our properties would require walking about 5 miles from public access gate (long snake up/down steep dash line) POS for years have "cut the corner" up the private driveway 1/4 mile to access the state and private forest.
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Luckily, since I was in Texas, the neighbor called and was able to harvest the meat (Yes reported), so as not wasted. Most of us check our properties daily, especially durning hunting season.

I have had this discussion many many many times, so please know I understand both sides of this issue especially with the stupid "checkerboard" properties.

Please always ask, accept the answer and don't break the law. If you don't know, don't go.
 
Mathematicians and their infinitely small points are bums. Everything in the real world has got an uncertainty associated with it, thus statistics is the only math discipline worth a damn. Q.E.D. 😤
 
Congress passed a law allowing flight over lands above a certain level as being in the public interest, disregarding the long held concept that the land owner held all above and below.
Except for mineral rights... mineral rights can even outweigh surface land rights.
Say you own property next to a Gravel mine but the Gravel mine has the mineral rights to your property.. they can in some cases destroy your surface land to get to their Gravel.
 
Mentioned in a previous post. The Wilkes Brothers, owners of the most private land in Montana, some 300,000 plus acres, made the bulk of their money when they sold their rights to the mining technique called fracking.
As I said...big hitters. Consequently Jersey Greg gets greased.
 
Mathematically a corner is a point, it has no size, no length, no width, so you can not pass over that point or a line projecting from the center of the earth through said point and into space without violating the space around it, because you have size.

If you do not touch the ground are you technically trespassing?
 
This is why WY agreed you can step over if there is a physical mark. You just have to step over the "point" on the diagonal. How hard would it be for the state to mark a few hundred corners in WA? 3 interns using DGPS for a summer?

I apologize for posting a lot here...I've had some incredibly scary situations with unethical landowners and have called both the Adams and Grant sheriffs over illegal posting and stood my ground. I've been right each time, I use my maps carefully. On-X helps a lot but obstinate landowners can be scary. In WY the landowners immediately back-off if you pull out a GPS...not so much in Grant County.

This technically falls under the realm of a professional land surveyor for it to be a legal corner.
 
Ok back to corner crossing. A lot of people think this is more a Wyoming/Montana issue but we have our checkerboards as well. This is just north of Moses Lake for example:View attachment 6114The court ruling will have significant impact on something like 6 million land locked acres. Crossing my fingers this land is legally opened up for good.
Oregon’s lands are checkered as well…
Hence, the poor forest management practices and huge wildfires as of late.
 
So on checkered land with corners, a land owner will be trespassing if two of the opposing pieces of private land are not theirs if they cross? Be careful what one asks for...
 
I believe they were first charged with criminal charges and it resulted in an acquittal. Then they were charged in a civil lawsuit. I think that is still pending...
 
they were proven innocent
Legally I'm uncertain that innocence is ever proven. A defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty. If not proven guilty, then the defendant is acquitted, which is not the same thing as innocent, i.e., a defendant might be guilty as hell, but the prosecution fails to prove guilt, so the defendant is acquitted, leaving actual guilt unknown.
 
I believe they were first charged with criminal charges and it resulted in an acquittal. Then they were charged in a civil lawsuit. I think that is still pending...
I would think it would be hard to prove damages on a civil level because they accessed public land to hunt public resources.
 
Only time will tell.
 
From what I understand they were proven innocent and immediately sued with the same thing from the previous year.

If I am the judge I throw it out and tell them to stop harrasing the hunters.

Boom 8.3 million more public land acres😁

I would think it would be hard to prove damages on a civil level because they accessed public land to hunt public resources.
I bet the landowners are seeking nominal ($1) damages and an injunction to prevent further trespass. It seems pretty crappy that existing law prevents the public from accessing public land. With landlocked private parcels, you can get an easement by necessity for access. Maybe the public should be entitled to an easement by necessity to access these public lands. Or maybe the state/feds should condemn a couple square feet of the private lands at the corner to facilitate public access. I don't see the private landowners giving up their public land private playground/ranchland out of the goodness of their hearts or for a small tax benefit.
 
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