$2M triangle to help migratory fish (and 3 more needed)
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One thing I was unaware of after reading the Times article that @RCF posted is that juvenile salmon and steelhead like to stay within 3’ of the surface.
I always assumed that would be more shore oriented and following the shoreline closely on their outmigration.
That likely explains some of the recent searun cutt activity I seen with fish busting the surface way offshore, well beyond casting distance.
SF
I always assumed that would be more shore oriented and following the shoreline closely on their outmigration.
That likely explains some of the recent searun cutt activity I seen with fish busting the surface way offshore, well beyond casting distance.
SF
Just because I haven't thrown gas on a fire recently...
If it is to save the salmon, just tear it down like the Dam proposals
If it is to save the salmon, just tear it down like the Dam proposals
While it’s true that the Hood Canal bridge produces almost no economically-important electricity, removing it would significantly disrupt the movement of the Quilbilly, seasonal RV hatches, and the eastward migration of pine and fir.
Just an FYI. You can now sign up for Survive the Sound 2023.
www.survivethesound.org
A bit more on the bridge project from Long Live the Kings website.
lltk.org
SF
Survive the Sound - Fish Tracking
This fish tracking game uses real data to raise awareness for threatened salmon and steelhead in the Pacific Northwest.
A bit more on the bridge project from Long Live the Kings website.
For Immediate Release: Innovative fish passage project hopes to guide salmon and steelhead to survival at the Hood Canal Bridge - Long Live The Kings
Contact: Lucas Hall, Director of Projects – Long Live the Kings lhall@lltk.org (206) 382-9555 x30 Port Gamble, WA – On April 10, the Hood Canal Bridge Assessment Team will deploy a $1.6 million fish guidance structure at the Hood Canal Bridge to help threatened salmon and steelhead pass one of...
lltk.org
SF
Is there a PNWFF or Bobo fish?Just an FYI. You can now sign up for Survive the Sound 2023.
Survive the Sound - Fish Tracking
This fish tracking game uses real data to raise awareness for threatened salmon and steelhead in the Pacific Northwest.
Ok, next year we sponsor a fish.
Yep that’s what prompted my surprise at me and LRS not getting the job after our competitive bid submitted on an etch a sketch, article posted above.Article about the triangle in Seattle Times:
Fish get stuck at Hood Canal Bridge. Will this giant contraption save them from the seals?
A hulking contraption will be installed at the Hood Canal Bridge this week. It might help young salmon get out to sea — and away from hungry seals.www.seattletimes.com
In hind sight, perhaps the etch a sketch was a deal breaker....
They couldn't handle all that creativity.
I like how he has a pad to protect the bow while trailering to a cliff side launch.
I Like how they approach a sweeper across the entire river, in a canyon, without life jackets. Makes sense.
That and the fact that when you tried to hop over a gum wrapper on the floor of their corporate offices just before we entered the boardroom, it meant that you jostled the plans and 37% of our plans were erased. Live and learn, I guess. Next time we should choose media that is less ephemeral. Like this:
charles sullivan
Life of the Party
Random thoughts on the project:
I have always appreciated Long Live the Kings. They seem to have a refreshing approach. Their projects are focused on better outcomes for the fish. Given the difficulties that PS and HC fish have getting to the big ocean, their approach of trying to figure out solutions in the PS and HC makes sense. They do not waste their time and energy in any attempt to be morally pure or shame agencies. They will use hatcheries, try new hatchery practices etc. to try and get to the end of more fish and more wild fish. They should be commended for their actual fish first approach.
Their survive the sound campaign is really effective at showing where the juvenile mortalities happen. Coming up with solutions is harder but at least they make the actual quantifiable impacts known in a manner that most people can understand. From there, mitigation strategies and solutions can be pushed for. I think that their vision could be used as a model for other fish enhancement groups. There is some "feel good" stuff done but in the end they are clearly pushing for results.
Although some get worked up about the amount of money it costs, the idea of actually trying to reduce predation at that Hood canal bridge seems to have the potential to get the most bang for our buck. When you consider the amount of money spent on a variety of stream restoration where the work is unlikely to have a viable impacts, 2 or 3 million for a shot at a solution to a known quantifiable problem seems like money well spent. The Middle Fork Nooksack dam removal cost 20 million dollars (thank you Paul Allen). The end result is opening up some sub par, cold, downcutting, low productivity habitat for potentially a few steelhead and maybe some kings and coho. The biggest winner is probably the bull trout but who knows. Either way, money spent trying to fix a know bottleneck is the intelligent way to go.
It is also not 1978. Things cost money. Three million dollars does not buy much real estate in the Puget Sound or pay for too many LWD piles. I am less concerned with the cost than I am with the funding source. It seems like road funds should have been used. It seems like a road project to me. It is the road that is causing he issue after all. Maybe it does not matter. The project just needed to be done. I wonder if anyone has contacted Microsoft, google or the other potential donors. I mean, here is a project that can not only make a difference but the actual improvement may be measurable. Wouldn't that look good? A philanthropic group could potentially brag about making measurable improvement.
I have always appreciated Long Live the Kings. They seem to have a refreshing approach. Their projects are focused on better outcomes for the fish. Given the difficulties that PS and HC fish have getting to the big ocean, their approach of trying to figure out solutions in the PS and HC makes sense. They do not waste their time and energy in any attempt to be morally pure or shame agencies. They will use hatcheries, try new hatchery practices etc. to try and get to the end of more fish and more wild fish. They should be commended for their actual fish first approach.
Their survive the sound campaign is really effective at showing where the juvenile mortalities happen. Coming up with solutions is harder but at least they make the actual quantifiable impacts known in a manner that most people can understand. From there, mitigation strategies and solutions can be pushed for. I think that their vision could be used as a model for other fish enhancement groups. There is some "feel good" stuff done but in the end they are clearly pushing for results.
Although some get worked up about the amount of money it costs, the idea of actually trying to reduce predation at that Hood canal bridge seems to have the potential to get the most bang for our buck. When you consider the amount of money spent on a variety of stream restoration where the work is unlikely to have a viable impacts, 2 or 3 million for a shot at a solution to a known quantifiable problem seems like money well spent. The Middle Fork Nooksack dam removal cost 20 million dollars (thank you Paul Allen). The end result is opening up some sub par, cold, downcutting, low productivity habitat for potentially a few steelhead and maybe some kings and coho. The biggest winner is probably the bull trout but who knows. Either way, money spent trying to fix a know bottleneck is the intelligent way to go.
It is also not 1978. Things cost money. Three million dollars does not buy much real estate in the Puget Sound or pay for too many LWD piles. I am less concerned with the cost than I am with the funding source. It seems like road funds should have been used. It seems like a road project to me. It is the road that is causing he issue after all. Maybe it does not matter. The project just needed to be done. I wonder if anyone has contacted Microsoft, google or the other potential donors. I mean, here is a project that can not only make a difference but the actual improvement may be measurable. Wouldn't that look good? A philanthropic group could potentially brag about making measurable improvement.
HauntedByWaters
Life of the Party
I have dealt with government contracts for fish passage type projects for years. Sometimes there is only a single bidder so their bid is technically the lowest. I have only seen one instance of a single bidder being denied due to the numbers being too high in about 12 years. It is best when there are several bidders but usually with non typical projects like this triangle, you take what you can get. I have often wondered how many bids were put in for the dam removal on the Elwha because at the time it was unprecedented and parts of that project looked terrifying for the operator.
Maybe. Probably. But we are talking about attaching something to a floating concrete path for metal vehicles. I'm OK w/ a little bit of engineering being applied to account for some external factors - even if it means it's going to cost a little bit more.
Note: I've got a weird slight
Pink Nighty
Legend
I tend to slow down on bridges while I scope the water. Drove my ex completely batshit, who would close her eyes as her drove over the bridge. She just couldn't understand that rivers are dynamic and the lies could change at any point.
This was not unrelated to us breaking up.