Dustin Chromers
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This is satire right?
With Our Already High Fuel Prices This Is Really Going To Hit The Pocketbook
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Is it true some of the turbo chargers actually charge you almost the equivalent of buying gas to charge? I don't remember where so sorry 'give me the source' police. It was a story about the new electric hummer, it cost 100$ to turbo charge... why not just buy gas 
I think we have developed an unrealistic notion that energy should be cheap. Throughout history, obtaining and using energy has required a large investment of labor and or capital. Making fire, gathering firewood, then coal, and then harnessing water power. None of this came easy. Technological advancements helped drive down the cost of energy, so we responded by using more of it. And more and more, and then we came to expect it to be cheap, almost as if it were some kind of entitlement.
I realize I'm deviating considerably from the issue of nearly doubling the state tax on gas, but I'll try to keep my point on target. Gas is the usual form of energy we use to get us down the road for important purposes like going fishing. So a tax on gas to build and maintain roads easily fits within the scope of natural and logical consequences. Gas in the car won't do us much good if there is no functional road to our fishing hole, or grocery store or job site, whatever. And using our gas (or diesel) powered cars causes air pollution which contributes to climate change. Therefore a tax which generates revenue to reduce that pollution and contribution to climate change does make a certain sense. I'm being vague here because this is WA, and we have an Inslee administration. So it goes without saying or getting too political that easily 90 cents out of every dollar raised will be spent in a fashion that leads to zero reduction in air pollution or our net contribution to climate change. That is just the way I have observed our political machine to work. We are expert at raising and spending massive amounts of money while achieving little in measurable benefits.
Meanwhile, I'm going to continue spending down my retirement savings on energy costs and whatever else I need to go fishing. Even when that means traveling to waters that are closed to fishing. It's beginning to feel like my life belongs in Mad magazine. What, me worry?
I realize I'm deviating considerably from the issue of nearly doubling the state tax on gas, but I'll try to keep my point on target. Gas is the usual form of energy we use to get us down the road for important purposes like going fishing. So a tax on gas to build and maintain roads easily fits within the scope of natural and logical consequences. Gas in the car won't do us much good if there is no functional road to our fishing hole, or grocery store or job site, whatever. And using our gas (or diesel) powered cars causes air pollution which contributes to climate change. Therefore a tax which generates revenue to reduce that pollution and contribution to climate change does make a certain sense. I'm being vague here because this is WA, and we have an Inslee administration. So it goes without saying or getting too political that easily 90 cents out of every dollar raised will be spent in a fashion that leads to zero reduction in air pollution or our net contribution to climate change. That is just the way I have observed our political machine to work. We are expert at raising and spending massive amounts of money while achieving little in measurable benefits.
Meanwhile, I'm going to continue spending down my retirement savings on energy costs and whatever else I need to go fishing. Even when that means traveling to waters that are closed to fishing. It's beginning to feel like my life belongs in Mad magazine. What, me worry?
This entire thread is satire, isn’t it
kerrys
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I would guess there will be a tax on the electricity your vehicle uses. For home charging systems they will be linked into your home meter and report how much it is used.
Assuming the “damage“ referred to is CO2 emissions: Ought to read this:
Of particular note is the graph at page 21, graph #4.
Yesterday in Europe:
Brussels-$5.91 USD
Stockholm-$5.80
London-$5.79
Frankfurt-$5.57
Since I was old enough to understand what taxes were and what they were for they have been regarded as too high by every generation. They are higher today than ever it seems and will be higher next year and the year after that. But every generation wants better roads with no potholes, water when they turn on the faucet, electricity when they flip the switch, cheap gas, groceries on the shelves at the supermarket, mail delivered promptly and all the other accoutrements of modern civilization. The cost of all this infrastructure is enormous and we have to pay it. There is a further cost of maintaining a military strong enough to protect what we consider our birthright since 1776, many countries would like to take it away from us.
With citizens of our own country attempting s coup and trying to replace democracy with oligarchy or dictatorship we have far more important things to vote for than low gas taxes. A few more cents on a gallon of gas will inconvenience most of us but it is not the end of the world. Gas is not an infinite resource and as it reaches the end of it's availability it's price will rise dramatically. Some gas pumps are already being built with an extra digit in the price per gallon window anticipating gas over $10.00 a gallon.
Get used to it-you haven't seen anything yet!
Brussels-$5.91 USD
Stockholm-$5.80
London-$5.79
Frankfurt-$5.57
Since I was old enough to understand what taxes were and what they were for they have been regarded as too high by every generation. They are higher today than ever it seems and will be higher next year and the year after that. But every generation wants better roads with no potholes, water when they turn on the faucet, electricity when they flip the switch, cheap gas, groceries on the shelves at the supermarket, mail delivered promptly and all the other accoutrements of modern civilization. The cost of all this infrastructure is enormous and we have to pay it. There is a further cost of maintaining a military strong enough to protect what we consider our birthright since 1776, many countries would like to take it away from us.
With citizens of our own country attempting s coup and trying to replace democracy with oligarchy or dictatorship we have far more important things to vote for than low gas taxes. A few more cents on a gallon of gas will inconvenience most of us but it is not the end of the world. Gas is not an infinite resource and as it reaches the end of it's availability it's price will rise dramatically. Some gas pumps are already being built with an extra digit in the price per gallon window anticipating gas over $10.00 a gallon.
Get used to it-you haven't seen anything yet!
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Yeah but it's nowhere near the ripoff that it was.
My 2 cents is look at the profits made by the big six gas companies. They are coining it in like never before. I saw an article where CA adds $1.56 in tax but their gas was recently at $8.35 which was way over the general coat of goods plus taxes. The whole system is rotten but both parties want us flinging shit at each and giving them money versus getting into to the real root of the problem which is price fixing and gouging by the gas companies.
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We should have price controls or something
Gyrfalcon22
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Building Walmarts and Dollar Stores (I think everything in store is now $1.25) within walking distance seems to be the only way out of this mess.
BP, Exxon, etc. are multinational companies in business for profit --> not charity. If there are price caps, price controls, etc. they will just go to other countries to make higher profits... The Saudi's in cahoots with the Russians just limited the amount of oil produced. OPEC is not helping.
So long as the US has high demand, and not controlling the supply we are SOL. Always have been, will be for the foreseeable future...
I had looked at the Washington policy people, and decided that they are in the business of influencing opinion for their own interests. I was interested in finding the actual text of the law. Washington makes it a little complicated to find out what they re up to in Olympia. The Ecology page helps to understand it a bit, but if I understand correctly the amount of tax anyone pays may be influenced by the amount businesses are willing to bid on the auctions. My guess is BP will be willing to pay plenty, along with the airlines etc.. We will know when we know.Summary of the changes:
State's new tax on CO2 emissions projected to add 46 cents per gallon to the cost of gas
WPC's Todd Myers applies numbers on the cost per metric ton of carbon emissions from the State Department of Ecology to the price of a gallon of gas, showing thwww.washingtonpolicy.org
More about the bill:
Cap-and-Invest - Washington State Department of Ecology
ecology.wa.gov
We are researching electric vehicles now. I hope the money raised here gets used to move us in the direction we inevitably must move in. I'm sick of all the smoke, and news of our fisheries collapsing, amongst many other signs of the times. I'm a willing player, if in fact the money gets used to reduce carbon consumption while facilitating the move to renewable energy.
I generally agree but if you look across all us industry, they is nothing but cabals in each general sector. Everything from meat to software to telecoms to gas. The market plays a role in pricing but it is naive to think this cannot be regulated. Deregulation is key to capitalism at its core, I.e. you take you choices and pay for what you want. The free market essentially. We don’t have that anymore which is ironic given the us is seen as a leading capitalist country. We’ve all been deluded and are now conditioned to hate each other while we all pay through the nose for everything where there could a limit. I’m all for a free market and really annoyed it is an illusion now.
Dave
I agree with you regarding actual law/policy. It is hard to actually hard to determine. That is the scary part - when politicians and legislators do not communicate clearly ---> are they hiding something?
The bit I don’t get is that with fracking the US became self reliant on oil and gas supply. If so then why are we beholden to OPEC? This is the sort of q we should be asking all of our politicians.
Dave
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Dustin Chromers
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Because the climate only changes when we do it.
Everything is relative
In 1988 I fished in New Zealand and rented an Australian Ford (maybe a Cortina) to move around SI as I was using an outfit that had planned stops at local farm houses/B&Bs, etc. as overnight accommodations. The most unexpected expense of the trip was the cost of gas which at that time was about $ 3.50/gal US.
In 1988 I fished in New Zealand and rented an Australian Ford (maybe a Cortina) to move around SI as I was using an outfit that had planned stops at local farm houses/B&Bs, etc. as overnight accommodations. The most unexpected expense of the trip was the cost of gas which at that time was about $ 3.50/gal US.
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