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The House votes 426 to 3 for a resolution supporting the citizens of Ukraine. Now let's guess what the 3 representatives to vote against this resolution might have in common. It appears they just can't allow themselves to agree with someone across the aisle regardless of how ignorant it proves them to be. Why can't our elected officials present a united front even when confronted with an evil like Vladamir Putin?
 
Stonedfish said:
Same here.
This is exactly how my Russian grandmother dressed, in wool regardless of the weather.
Driving around town as a kid with my mom, she would point out folks dressed similarly to her mother and say there is someone from the “old country”.
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My Lithuanian grandma had a similar sense of utilitarian fashion.
 
Sanctions are starting to work in Russia. The impact will be felt more and more as time moves on. Russian stock market has not been able to open this week. Some Russian stocks on foreign stock exchanges have tumbled down 95% this week. The Russian ruble dropped to it's lowest value ever. Russian Central Bank doubled it's interest rate this week. Russian GDP will be tumbling.

Now US and international companies are pulling out and breaking ties with Russia: BP, Exxon, Equinor, and Shell to name a few. MasterCard and Visa are stopping transactions with multiple companies associated with Russia. Maersk and MSC Mediterranean Shipping Company have stopped shipments in and out of Russia except for food, medical supplies and humanitarian needs. And those are the easy ones to find...

Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, TikToK, NetFlix, DirecTv and Roku, are starting to get involved by limiting spread of information/propaganda from Russian mis-communication sources. Since Russia owns/controls it's communications - TV, radio, telephones, cellular networks, etc. their word will still get out. If one of the hopes is that the people of Russia will rise up in mass and help 'force' change, how will anyone know what is really happening outside Russia, in Ukraine, and how the rest of the world is responding?

A common Russian person does not have access drones, cruise missiles, military intelligence, etc. - so how much can they really accomplish?

So does that lead us back to a "Putin Off Ramp"?

Just scary times. Lots of questions. No answers...
 
Mingo said:
Do you all remember four years ago when state government here in Hawaii fucked up and told us there was an incoming nuke from North Korea headed our way? And that it wasn't a drill? They told us it would hit in thirty minutes. People were stuffing their kids down manhole covers. People suffered heart attacks.

I grabbed a bottle of Glenfiddich and my fly rod. As I packed my rod in my rig, I took a healthy swig of scotch and held the bottle up to the sky and said "pour me a tall one honey, looks like we're going to be partying in a half hour."

Then they called the alert off and said it was a mistake. No bomb on the way.

I live pretty close to the entire Pacific Command. That's a major target. So yeah....I already know how I'm leaving this rock if it comes to that.
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i am about two miles from Fort Carson, 25 miles from a couple different airforce bases and whatever is left of what used to be called NORAD I won't even have time to blink.

but what strikes me is that one way or another, even if all the Russian troops packed up and left tomorrow, the Ukrainians would of course have to fuel their vehicles first, how is this for a run on sentence, we still have to one way or another get our hands on Putin himself to stand trial for war crimes. at this point regime change in Russia is mandatory.
 
Ukraine keeps the vehicles. Use them for their own armed forces or sell them on the open market to start helping the rebuild process. Bus all the Russians back to the border and tell them to 'take a hike'....
 
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Rob Allen said:
i am about two miles from Fort Carson, 25 miles from a couple different airforce bases and whatever is left of what used to be called NORAD I won't even have time to blink.

but what strikes me is that one way or another, even if all the Russian troops packed up and left tomorrow, the Ukrainians would of course have to fuel their vehicles first, how is this for a run on sentence, we still have to one way or another get our hands on Putin himself to stand trial for war crimes. at this point regime change in Russia is mandatory.
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You could always try to make the run up to Cheyenne Mountain Complex. For being supposedly secret its sure it up at night.
 
Just saw an interesting analysis (unfortunately did not catch the fellows name, though I have seen him before) on why NATO involvement at this stage would not be wise. It is not one I had heard articulated previously, but it struck me as very insightful. He suggested that NATO involvement would not save Ukraine, in fact, Ukraine would become a bigger battlefield with even more destruction, with greater casualties, but further to that, it would give Putin the enemy he so desperately wants and needs. Currently, the Russian people are starting to rise up in protest, there is not great support at home for this war, Ukraine is not seen as a threat or enemy; NATO involvement would change that, Putin would be proven correct, ie, Ukraine is a NATO puppet and a threat to Russia; the Russian people would then rally around Putin and his war.

Unfortunately, I found this very a plausible and persuasive argument.

I again think we need incentives to get Putin to reverse course. I am in no way suggesting he get a free ride, I suspect whether he continues or pulls out he is not long for his current position. It is not going well for him. Don't give the Russian people a reason to rally to his side, the more they hate him, the better.
 
Canuck from Kansas said:
Just saw an interesting analysis (unfortunately did not catch the fellows name, though I have seen him before) on why NATO involvement at this stage would not be wise. It is not one I had heard articulated previously, but it struck me as very insightful. He suggested that NATO involvement would not save Ukraine, in fact, Ukraine would become a bigger battlefield with even more destruction, with greater casualties, but further to that, it would give Putin the enemy he so desperately wants and needs. Currently, the Russian people are starting to rise up in protest, there is not great support at home for this war, Ukraine is not seen as a threat or enemy; NATO involvement would change that, Putin would be proven correct, ie, Ukraine is a NATO puppet and a threat to Russia; the Russian people would then rally around Putin and his war.

Unfortunately, I found this very a plausible and persuasive argument.

I again think we need incentives to get Putin to reverse course. I am in no way suggesting he get a free ride, I suspect whether he continues or pulls out he is not long for his current position. It is not going well for him. Don't give the Russian people a reason to rally to his side, the more they hate him, the better.
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I suppose that theory has some merit.
The time for UN involvement was before the war started a few Abrams at the border crossings A-10s ready with hell fires and of course the cannon. F-22s for air supremacy f-16CJs to take care of SAMS

But that time has passed? Maybe..
 
Such a huge need for the refugees at the borders. Here’s a crazy idea that might provide just a small amount of relief.

It seems to me that it wouldn’t be a bad idea to liquidate some of the seized assets we’ve been hearing about including yachts, foreign bank accounts (these reportedly amount to billions of $), equities, maybe any real estate holdings etc. to help feed and temporarily house these people that have been displaced and forced to flee their homes by these Scums of the Earth.

There are probably practical reasons that this would be difficult, but not impossible.
But, desperate times (and these are exactly that) call for desperate measures.
 
jaredoconnor said:
Liquidating oligarch assets and using the money to pay Russian troops, to lay down their arms, would also be a good idea. It is obvious that many of them don't want to be there. It would also fire up the protesters, in Russia.
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If a person flashed some cash they might get some tanks pretty cheap.
 
Canuck from Kansas said:
Just saw an interesting analysis (unfortunately did not catch the fellows name, though I have seen him before) on why NATO involvement at this stage would not be wise. It is not one I had heard articulated previously, but it struck me as very insightful. He suggested that NATO involvement would not save Ukraine, in fact, Ukraine would become a bigger battlefield with even more destruction, with greater casualties, but further to that, it would give Putin the enemy he so desperately wants and needs. Currently, the Russian people are starting to rise up in protest, there is not great support at home for this war, Ukraine is not seen as a threat or enemy; NATO involvement would change that, Putin would be proven correct, ie, Ukraine is a NATO puppet and a threat to Russia; the Russian people would then rally around Putin and his war.

Unfortunately, I found this very a plausible and persuasive argument.

I again think we need incentives to get Putin to reverse course. I am in no way suggesting he get a free ride, I suspect whether he continues or pulls out he is not long for his current position. It is not going well for him. Don't give the Russian people a reason to rally to his side, the more they hate him, the better.
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Hadn't read that but good points about Putin's "justification" for the invasion.

On that note, I like checking multiple sources and came across the tidbit below that puts Putin's supposed "De-nazifying" (Pot meets Kettle) motives into perspective. While clearly a massively inflated ruse, that has noting to do with his real reasons for invading - it does uncover a kernel of truth. One that easily plays on Nazi fears that are deeply seated in Russia.

www.aljazeera.com

Profile: Who are Ukraine’s far-right Azov regiment?

The regiment, which has been accused of neo-Nazi ties, has since been absorbed in the national army.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

And, maybe I missed mention of this on western media outlets, but I can see it being "omitted" to avoid undermining support for Ukraine. However unfortunate, people with this mentality still exist, and there are extremist minority groups in every culture. Regardless, Ukraine deserves full international support. Their survival as a nation, and becoming a fully recognized member of the free world is the best way to make this thinking a thing of the past.
 
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Always wanted a tank, think it would help keep the deer out of the garden. With the ruble at all time lows, this is probably my best shot.
But the shipping...never mind I'll wait till they're on Amazon or ebay.
 
Mossback said:
Always wanted a tank, think it would help keep the deer out of the garden. With the ruble at all time lows, this is probably my best shot.
But the shipping...never mind I'll wait till they're on Amazon or ebay.
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Rob Allen said:
I suppose that theory has some merit.
The time for UN involvement was before the war started a few Abrams at the border crossings A-10s ready with hell fires and of course the cannon. F-22s for air supremacy f-16CJs to take care of SAMS

But that time has passed? Maybe..
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Was thinking this morning Patriots and THAAD's on the Polish and Romanian borders might help with air defense .
 
Robert Engleheart said:
There have been a couple for sale on Bring a Trailer:
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1941 M3 Stuart Light Tank

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Lol

I read the comments...some good ones in there.
 
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