SFR There's Hot And Then There's Really Hot

[Old406Kid]

Supposed to see 97 here on the Madison, pretty hot for 6500 feet , plus windy ,and very low humidity . Wouldn't surprise me to see them put the Madison on hoot owl .

Parts are under Hoot Owl as of July 11th. With this hot weather I'm sure more waters will follow.

Current Waterbody Restrictions | Montana FWP

Current restrictions and closures, including hoot-owl

fwp.mt.gov

 

[RCF]

Parts are under Hoot Owl as of July 11th. With this hot weather I'm sure more waters will follow.

Current Waterbody Restrictions | Montana FWP

Current restrictions and closures, including hoot-owl

fwp.mt.gov

Call me weird, but I support the Hoot Owl restrictions. Protecting the numerous native (wild) species is important for long lasting resources.

Plus the timing is great for my afternoon nap or tying flies with a cold beer in-hand.

 

[Stonedfish]

Hot weather sucks. Really hot weather sucks even more.
SF

 

[Flymph]

And then there's Europe: https://phys.org/news/2026-07-western-europe-hottest-june-surge.html

Europe is the world's fastest-warming continent, and changes in atmospheric circulation are fueling more frequent and more intense heat waves on the continent.

 

[Peyton00]

If you care about the future of your great great great great great grandkids great great great grandkids.... plan accordingly.

 

[Old406Kid]

Call me weird, but I support the Hoot Owl restrictions. Protecting the numerous native (wild) species is important for long lasting resources.

Plus the timing is great for my afternoon nap or tying flies with a cold beer in-hand.

I support Hoot Owl as well but have to wonder how effective it really is.

 

[RCF]

Montana FWD has done a lot of studies on this. I found a couple of studies they did online. Too technical for me. If the results were not positive, they stop them.

Found this:

Perspective: Trout fishing during low water and high temperatures

Summer of 2024 is shaping up to be one of the hottest on record, so we are reposting this article from 2022 because it relevant to what many anglers are experiencing this year. This research was completed several years ago, but the conclusions are still applicable today. Higher stream...

idfg.idaho.gov

Maybe others with a more scientific background and working in the field on this site can help.

 

[Stonedfish]

If you care about the future of your great great great great great grandkids great great great grandkids.... plan accordingly.

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I’m sorry I won’t be around to enjoy the cooler weather.
SF

 

[Old406Kid]

Montana FWD has done a lot of studies on this. I found a couple of studies they did online. Too technical for me. If the results were not positive, they stop them.

Found this:

Perspective: Trout fishing during low water and high temperatures

Summer of 2024 is shaping up to be one of the hottest on record, so we are reposting this article from 2022 because it relevant to what many anglers are experiencing this year. This research was completed several years ago, but the conclusions are still applicable today. Higher stream...

idfg.idaho.gov

Maybe others with a more scientific background and working in the field on this site can help.

I guess I should have been more detailed with my reply above. I'm sure it varies from stream to stream or even sections of a given stream but I have to wonder how much the water temperature continues to rise until sunset and drop overnight during the closure hours.

 

[up2nogood]

Parts are under Hoot Owl as of July 11th. With this hot weather I'm sure more waters will follow.

Current Waterbody Restrictions | Montana FWP

Current restrictions and closures, including hoot-owl

fwp.mt.gov

I saw that ,pretty common for the park . In all the years I have fished the lower Madison , I only remember one year they put it on hoot owl , probably have been more .

 

[Hem]

I support Hoot Owl as well but have to wonder how effective it really is.

With overcrowded waters in SW Montana we residents support Hoot Owl. Its the only way the fish get a break during peak touron season.
Plenty of fishing in January.

 

[Vagabond]

I’m sorry I won’t be around to enjoy the cooler weather.
SF

Yeah, I’m pissed also. That makes two in a row. Timing is everything and I don’t seem to have it anymore.

103° yesterday supposed to be warmer today.

 

[Canuck from Kansas]

Yeah, I’m pissed also. That makes two in a row. Timing is everything and I don’t seem to have it anymore.

103° yesterday supposed to be warmer today.

The smoke is supposed to keep things cooler today, at least here in the Poconos - pick your poison ...

 

[Vagabond]

Keep the smoke, please.
I can deal with the heat for some reason. Had a nice 5.8 mile walk yesterday before it hit three digits.

The last three years I delivered boats to New England the smoke from the fires in the NW was pretty thick from NJ south to about Ocean City Md on my way home in the PM. Not so much northbound in the night. When we were in Bend a couple years ago and roamed up near Detroit I remember you mentioning how bad it got at times. No thanks.

Last year near Fort Nelson BC I could see it and smell it after passing behind the fire but the west wind pushed it to the NE.

 

[Chris Bellows]

Most of our smoke on the East Coast, including currently, is from fires in Ontario.

 

[Brian Miller]

Montana FWD has done a lot of studies on this. I found a couple of studies they did online. Too technical for me. If the results were not positive, they stop them.

Found this:

Perspective: Trout fishing during low water and high temperatures

Summer of 2024 is shaping up to be one of the hottest on record, so we are reposting this article from 2022 because it relevant to what many anglers are experiencing this year. This research was completed several years ago, but the conclusions are still applicable today. Higher stream...

idfg.idaho.gov

Maybe others with a more scientific background and working in the field on this site can help.

I found a Montana Study here

https://fwp.mt.gov/binaries/content/assets/fwp/conservation/fisheries-management/trout-mgmt---sw-montana/adult-mortality-2024.pdf

l don't fully understand the details but the difference in the tone of the Montana study summary to the more layman's presentation of the ID study article is striking. Is there really that much of a difference in the conclusions of the studies?

 

[SurfnFish]

Keep the smoke, please.
I can deal with the heat for some reason. Had a nice 5.8 mile walk yesterday before it hit three digits.

The last three years I delivered boats to New England the smoke from the fires in the NW was pretty thick from NJ south to about Ocean City Md on my way home in the PM. Not so much northbound in the night. When we were in Bend a couple years ago and roamed up near Detroit I remember you mentioning how bad it got at times. No thanks.

Last year near Fort Nelson BC I could see it and smell it after passing behind the fire but the west wind pushed it to the NE.

over 800 fires currently in Canada with hazardous air warnings across many of the NE states

 

[Canuck from Kansas]

over 800 fires currently in Canada with hazardous air warnings across many of the NE states

Cannot seem to overlay the key, but the different colours are the fire weather index, blue being low, then increasing through the deeper shades of yellow/red.

Canadian Wildland Fire Information System / Système canadien d'information sur les feux de végétation

Canadian Wildland Fire Information System / Système canadien d'information sur les feux de végétation

cwfis.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca

Smoke forecast:

Smoke Forecast - FireSmoke.ca