Small green propane bottles

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Do you refill them? A lot of people do although it is supposed to be illegal to do so and imprisonment and huge fines are promised if taken across state lines. But on the internet there are dozens of videos about how to refill them demonstrating just what equipment is needed to do so.

Today I watched part of a video by Bob Wells, the Pied Piper of van life, giving dire warnings about refilling them and hawking a reusable canister from an outfit called Flame King. These can cost almost $20 apiece or can be bought 4 at a time for about $60. With the little green tanks now costing over $5 and as much as $9 in some out of the way places buying 4 of these may not be such a bad idea. At $5-$9 a pop it won't take long to amortize the expense of permanent bottles. Bob's shtick is that the valves in the green bottles are light duty and not meant for multiple refills, they will eventually leak in your vehicle, a spark will ignite the fumes and you will be killed. I'm sure it has happened but you can also be killed by a drive-by shooter, lightning or a meteoroid impact. What Bob didn't tell us was that the bottles can be made infinitely safer by replacing the flimsy plastic cap with a screw on brass model with a neoprene gasket. That pretty much eliminates the possibility of a leak and a pack of 6 caps is available on Amazon for around $10. A green bottle with a screw on brass cap is probably at least as safe as a new one with a plastic cap, maybe more so.

If you do the math, it is infinitely cheaper to refill than to buy and throw away 1# at a time. I have refilled the same 10 bottles for years now and am meticulously careful about their use, always keeping them tightly capped and throwing away any that have been left without a cap on. There must be millions of these things in landfills, it just seems damned stupid to keep throwing them away.
 
I've never refilled the green ones as it always sounded kinda sketchy to me. But I also know folks who have done it many times with no problems.

That said, I also have always felt stupid about throwing them away.
 
I was gonna start refilling the green cans this summer. This was after reading your previous posts, Ive.

I watched a bunch of online videos and went to the local Co-op to pick up the filling adapter.

While I was checking out what the store had, an employee started chatting with me. He said he’d refilled the green bottles a bunch and after seeing the Flame King bottles he was gonna switch.

This is a business that fills propane tanks and it sounded like the guy knew what he was talking about. His opinion was the green bottles were poorly made and one had to be careful when reusing them…..to watch for cracks, leaky valves, etc.

Maybe the guy was simply a slick sales person, but after listening to him my Safety Sam side compelled me to go with the Flame King set up.

I think I spent 40 or 45 bucks for the filling contraption and one bottle. It’s super easy to use. And seems safe. The set up has an overflow valve ( or whatever it’s called) so the procedure is just like having larger tank filled….watch for the propane to overflow from the bottle and then shut it down. There’s no turn the bottle right side up and let the liquid settle ( or whatever was done when refilling a green bottle)

So far I’ve filled the Flame King bottle once. Now I just gotta get out there and start doing some more camping to break even on the initial expense.👍
 
Yep, bought a 5# tank to avoid all of this, but haven't been out yet where I've needed it yet. Darn, I need to solo camp soon!
 
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I've got a river buddy who refills his from a BBQ tank. Only problem is they only refill about half way. I bought the adapter but haven't used it yet. This is for rafting, so even if it leaks no worries.

True story: One year a long time ago after circling the country(across 80, down the 97 and back across the 10) we had a big party in the Az desert. Young kid shit with bottle rockets, roman candles and such. In the end we threw a fresh green tank into the fore and ran over a sand burm. Expecting a huge Kaboom we were deeply disappointed when the relief valve gave us a 3" flame....
 
I have switched to single burner butane catering stoves for most of my trips and haven't used a small propane bottle in about 3 years. Tossing an empty butane canister the size and weight of a hairspray can feels less wasteful. The butane cans cost less for a comparable burn time too.
 
I have two of the flame king bottles. It's the way to go for short trips.
 
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I went away from them awhile ago. I bought some of those 3.8# tanks. Equivalent to about 4 of the green. Lightweight, and refillable. Plus actually light and packable.

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5 or 6 years ago I got a little 5 pounder for my old 2 burner camp chef stove, too. It lasts about 4 days worth of breakfasts and dinners.

That Malibu—back down south we’d call that a Fishin Car. Been in the family forever, runs fine but doesn’t look great, interior is thrashed, gets used like a work truck.
 
I have refilled the green canisters for years. No issues for me.
 
I too have converted over to an Iwatani stove with butane fuel and like it much better than the propane models. To me the only downside to butane is that it doesn't work well in freezing weather but there is a workaround for that too. Currently butane cartridges are selling for around $2.50 apiece when bought by the dozen case, certainly well under $3.00 apiece. Best price this morning on Amazon-$27.99 for 12 or about $2.33 apiece.

That being said I still need propane bottles to start the charcoal on my Weber Performer grill and also to power the Blackstone griddle I carry in the Casa. That is pretty low usage and I only refill bottles less than once a year. I have seen at least a dozen videos on how to refill them and some are just wrong. Here is how I get mine full.

On the back porch I hang a newly filled 20# propane bottle upside down on a warm day. On a nearby table is a digital scale and a fire extinguisher. The adopter is screwed tightly onto the big bottle and the small bottles screwed into that. I keep the small bottles in the freezer until it is time to fill. Open the valve and you will hear the bottle begin to fill and will quickly learn how to judge when it is full. A new green propane bottle should weigh about 32 ounces when full, I am content with anything above 27 ounces. I have found that it is hard to overfill but if that happens just bleed off the excess and be more careful the next time. And finally, buy a package of brass screw on caps and get rid of the plastic ones, plastic will keep bugs and dirt out but won't stop a leak.

The small green propane bottles have a remarkable safety record, otherwise they couldn't be sold by the millions but things can go wrong and do. Just remember that there are a lot of guys out there that are Darwin Award candidates that could cross thread a light bulb or burn a house down with a birthday cake. Often seen at boat ramps, these kind of guys aren't to be trusted with any kind of flame.
 
5 or 6 years ago I got a little 5 pounder for my old 2 burner camp chef stove, too. It lasts about 4 days worth of breakfasts and dinners.

That Malibu—back down south we’d call that a Fishin Car. Been in the family forever, runs fine but doesn’t look great, interior is thrashed, gets used like a work truck.

Was my wife's car I had bought for her new. She just bought a new car and this car has a lot of life. So using it as my little fishing rig if I don't need my raft or drift boat. Still gets 30mpg, even with a kayak on the roof. A little less with 2 kayaks. Great little rig. Interior isn't in the best shape, but works fine for what I'm doing.
 
I use a 5lb tank, it lasts for what seems like forever. And best part, the propane pumps at most stations are analog and if I bring it to get it filled when it's half full, sometimes the pump doesn't even tick to .1 and they don't charge me, even though I got some propane. I just hate going out without knowing I won't run out.

I bought a little 3 way tree and I can run my stove and lantern at the same time, so much better than the green bottles
 
Was my wife's car I had bought for her new. She just bought a new car and this car has a lot of life. So using it as my little fishing rig if I don't need my raft or drift boat. Still gets 30mpg, even with a kayak on the roof. A little less with 2 kayaks. Great little rig. Interior isn't in the best shape, but works fine for what I'm doing.
Yup, that's a Fishin Car! Also can be used to haul pine straw in the trunk AND back seat (with an old bedsheet over the upholstery) when your thrifty Dad and teenage you are driving around the neighborhood and happen to see that somebody has put out some fresh raked, not too dirty straw ready for yard waste pickup...or neighbor pickup so Dad doesn't have to buy bales of the stuff that literally grows on trees!
 
Yup, that's a Fishin Car! Also can be used to haul pine straw in the trunk AND back seat (with an old bedsheet over the upholstery) when your thrifty Dad and teenage you are driving around the neighborhood and happen to see that somebody has put out some fresh raked, not too dirty straw ready for yard waste pickup...or neighbor pickup so Dad doesn't have to buy bales of the stuff that literally grows on trees!

😆 funny you mention that. This car has hauled a lot of grain and feed, including the occasional bail of hay. Since I took over car it hasn't had to do it since my truck is always here.
 
I've refilled them for years. I also drive 10mph over the speed limit.
I'm sure the government will take care of you if you let them. Glad my tanks expire after a stamped date. Never knew there was a problem until the government helped us.
 
I’ve been using Flame King for a while. I’ve also refilled the green. With the green you really should weigh while you’re filling to not overfill. That means taking it on and off the refill system several times. The FK has a relief orifice kinda like they use when you refill your big 20 lbers. That way you know when you’re full. The peace of mind is worth the small extra cost of the FK to me.
 
I’ve been refilling the 1# greenies for a while. Yes I’ve had them leak but usually it’s pretty obvious fairly quickly (between the noise and the smell). When they leak, I set them outside til empty and then pitch em. I also am only using these for camp stoves and the like so not in a van or anything.
 
It is my understanding that the "illegal to transport" refilled propane bottles only applies to commercial vehicle transportation, not a private user.
 
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