Sky not until Nov 1st.

If there was an actual summer run returning in remotely fishable numbers I would be pissed. The fucktards at WFC fucked that all up, so mght as well stop that dumb ass broodstock program we are paying for, and stop trucking fish over the falls as well.

The Sky summer run was so successful, it's just mind boggling what we have lost!
 
If there was an actual summer run returning in remotely fishable numbers I would be pissed. The fucktards at WFC fucked that all up, so mght as well stop that dumb ass broodstock program we are paying for, and stop trucking fish over the falls as well.

The Sky summer run was so successful, it's just mind boggling what we have lost!

Yes with only 35,000 planted for this summer's return, I wonder whether preserving that brood stock plays into the closure decision as well. Unlikely, but if it was I think I'd actually feel better about it as it would suggest someone cares about the Sky summer run. It used to be my favorite fishery. A successful fishery like that so close to a major metro area should have been celebrated!
 
They did plant 110k last year, from discussions with staff. They aren't using solely brood stocks from the SF. Mix if fish returning to reiter and sunset. But with 25 and 35k for the previous two years, not a lot are coming back to reiter. Also heard they were using reiter for chinook rearing while the wallace facility was getting a face-lift. That may also have something to do with it and the low smolt plants. Chinook dialed in to reiter and only 75% of them clipped would burn through our impact real quick.
 
And this is complete bullshit as well-
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So I can't fish my #14 Elk Hair Caddis on the Miller in August or Sept because I might "encounter" a king.
If this is what it’s come to, and it seems like this is the new shitty normal, they should really account for barriers that Chinook don’t migrate past and at least let us fish up above those. Those barriers do exist and there are a lot of trout up there.
 
Something tells me you're more likely to hook a native chinook on a #14 elk hair caddis in an upper Sky trib than you are to encounter anyone enforcing those closures up in that territory - even when there's not a funding crisis so severe the state can't even pay for creel checkers - so it's good for the WDFW that fly fisherman tend to be such sticklers when it comes to following rules.
 
About 2000 it was argued that South fork of the Skykomish above Sunset Falls should not be considered part of the Puget Sound Chinook ESU as they did not exist historically exist above the Falls. The feds decided that water was indeed part of the ESU as it was considered that supplying access to the water above the falls was mitigation for habitat loss downstream. Obviously that decision is not universally agreed with.

The problem is not whether you might catch a chinook on your #14 elk hair caddis but rather that some anglers could be fishing with gear that could catch a chinook or that some anglers might target Chinook. The experience on the North Fork Stillaguamish clearly demonstrated that fly only regulations are not adequate to prevent anglers fishing with flies form targeting Chinook.

For those interested in fishing those waters I would think that one could argue for an additional opportunity in the fall after the Chinook have completed their spawning. In recent years the Wallace hatchery escapement reports indicate that the Chinook spawning is completed by the 10th of October. Historically, late October or early November can provide some good trout or even steelhead fishing on the upper South Fork. Potentially i would think it could be argued that game fish opportunities could be provided in June/early July and again in that fall period without the need for monitoring.

The unfortunate reality is that those of us who have enjoyed chasing game fish on these rivers have fight for what crumbs we can get. What I do know for sure is that without actively taking up those fights the managers will take the path of less resistance of having no seasons.

curt
 
Thanks for the great insight Curt. I have written my US rep Kim Schrier and will write my Senators and state foks as well.

The fact that NOAA included the waters above Sunset as an ESU is ridiculous. Is that water good spawning and rearing habitat? Yeah, probably. I'm sure the native trout love it. Oh yeah, the native trout. Evidently NOAA doesn't give a shit about native trout above barriers.

I can't stand people that don't believe science, but this is exactly how it starts. You tell people that you can't fish for native trout up there because we truck native salmon up there. Wait, what about the truck? If the native salmon evolved up there, why do we need a truck?
No, that habitat is part of their evolution. How exactly? Well, we've been trucking them since 1958 so...you can't fish there. You know, save the salmon and all that.

This is one of the reasons I fish for carp. :rolleyes:
 
Washington Department of Salmon hypocrisy. WDFW opened the lower Skagit River to fishing for spring Chinook salmon in early May. Then they opened the upper Skagit (Rockport to Marblemount) to spring Chinook salmon fishing while acknowledging that ESA listed native steelhead were actively spawning in that part of the river, and so they ask anglers to immediately release unharmed any incidentally caught steelhead. Oh, and of course the Department is able to fund monitoring of the spring Chinook recreational fishery.

Comes now the Snohomish River basin and its ESA-listed Chinook that inhabit the same water as other species, including hatchery steelhead. Why not allow steelhead fishing with the same admonishment to anglers to immediately release unharmed any incidentally caught Chinook salmon?

Cuz that's not how the Washington Department of Salmon rollz, ya' know!
 
Washington Department of Fuck Wits has lost their way.

Time to just cease paying attention to them, and just fish.
 
I commented on the South Fork Sky & tribs BS on the following page-

**EDIT- And BTW, they are proposing an even shorter season! The Saturday before Memorial day to June 30.**

Please consider doing the same. I didn't hold back. I also sent a direct email to the commission email- commission@dfw.wa.gov

Feel free to do the same. Here is my whiny email. I could have had it be more cordial, more complimentary, more formal, but I've been there and done that without much success. I used to write all the time. I even got replies back. It never helped. So I let some emotion into this one. WTH. And yes, I bolded trucked.
And @Salmo_g I used some of your words. Hope that's ok.
I'm sure they'll file it in the "Cry Me a River" folder. I wonder if that river is open?

Anyway, here you go-
Hi there,
I am a sports angler and life-long resident of Washington. While I appreciate the effort by NOAA, WDFW and the tribes to recover wild salmon stocks in the Puget Sound rivers, I am very disappointed that sports anglers are paying a higher price than ever before.
My concern is specific to the overly restrictive trout angling season on the South Fork of the Skykomish and its tributaries above Sunset Falls. Plainly, the trout season is WAY too short. I understand this is to reduce encounters with native summer chinook, which are trucked above the falls. I also understand that NOAA decided that the waters above the falls qualify as an ESU. I understand that WDFW did not make this determination, but this is exactly why people stop believing in science. And let me give some reference to that statement. I believe in science! And I have voted green at nearly every chance in my 40 years as a voter.

I'm in favor of trucking summer chinook and steelhead above the falls to take advantage of the habitat, but that should be a bonus. Historically (or evolutionarily if we want to go there), the summer chinook were not above the falls. That is not their natal habitat. To restrict trout fishing season to 7 weeks on all those tributaries is ridiculous. Is it because the WDFW cannot effectively monitor or patrol those rivers to supposedly reduce the encounters with a trucked summer chinook?

WDFW opened the lower Skagit River to fishing for spring Chinook in early May. Then opened the upper Skagit (Rockport to Marblemount) to spring chinook fishing while acknowledging that ESA listed native steelhead were actively spawning in that section of river so asked anglers to immediately release unharmed any incidentally caught steelhead. And somehow there are fund to monitor the spring chinook fishery.

So how is that allowed, but trout fishing is not? There will be, potentially, many less encounters with summer chinook by trout anglers on the South Fork Skykomish tributaries above Sunset falls than encounters with spawning native endangered steelhead by spring chinook fisherman on the Skagit. The gear used for spring chinook on the Skagit catches steelhead at a much higher rate than trout gear catches summer chinook.

I am fine with using new habitat if we think it will help, but not to the detriment of the native species that already live there and also not if that restricts angling opportunities for healthy, naturally spawning trout.

WDFW should allow trout fishing on the South Fork of the Skykomish, above Sunset Falls, from the Saturday before Memorial Day until October 31. Just like they have done for years. Closing a river does not solve the issue of possible encounters with trucked summer chinook salmon. Less people trout fishing those rivers during the summer and early fall makes it easier for the poachers. They will fish for trout and the trucked salmon.

In my many summers of trout fishing those rivers above Sunset Falls, I've never hooked a summer salmon. Is it possible? Sure, it is possible, but the risk is so low and the cost to sports angler is too high.

I am losing all confidence in NOAA and the WDFW to manage our fisheries. I believe in using the best science, but arrogant decisions like NOAA made on the South Fork destroy the trust in the science.
Very plainly...we cannot fish for trout in the South Fork Skykomish, above the falls, because of trucked salmon that never occurred there naturally. How will anyone believe NOAA or WDFW when that sort of logic is used? Or when they see things like the spring chinook season on the Skagit? .

Please hear my concern. I speak for many in the angling community. I am active on the PNW Fly Fishing forum and the angst among my fellow forum members as well as my angler friends is at an all-time high. They are accustomed to the restrictions on steelhead and salmon and have been very good partners with WDFW, but decisions like this one are leading to distrust and lost hope. The WDFW is losing control of their duties and they are losing the support of the people.

Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. I know there are many issues to consider, but I appreciate anything you can do.

Thank you,
Stacy Chick
Covington, WA
 
I bet the chances of hooking a tweaker on the upper Sky on a size 14 elk hair caddis are greater then hooking a chinook on one.
SF
 
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Here's a draft of a letter that I intent to send to the WDFW and I'd welcome any suggestions. I burned a lord knows how many tokens in a sustained dialogue with ChatGPT trying to understand the formal/written/quantitative basis for the WDFW's decision to close the Skykomish, skimmed the relevant documents (I have school-age children and life is short), cobbled together a rough-raft, and then asked Chat GPT to integrate my rough draft, the questions I'd presented during our dialogue, etc.

The tl;dr version is that I think the WDFW owes the public an explanation for its management decision that references models/data/management-plans recorded in public-facing documents that mandate the closure of the Skykomish given the return forecasts, an inability to monitor the fishery in accordance with documented requirements, or concedes that the closure was not based in either and - if so - clearly states what the actual basis for the closure was.

I certainly won't have my feelings hurt if the feedback is "Dude - that's a short novel. No way anyone at the WDFW is going to have the time to answer any two of those questions, let alone all of them," etc. If nothing else - maybe it can serve as raw-material that can be packaged into shorter, more digestible inquiries that the WDFW might actually answer.
Subject: Request for clarification and public documentation supporting 2026 Skykomish River closure

"Dear WDFW Staff,

I am writing to request clarification regarding WDFW’s decision to close the Skykomish River and related Snohomish Basin fisheries during the 2026 season, including fisheries that would otherwise target hatchery Chinook, hatchery summer steelhead, coho, pink salmon, trout, or other more abundant species.

I understand and support the need to conserve ESA-listed natural-origin Chinook salmon in the Snohomish Basin. My concern is not with the general conservation objective, but with the public explanation provided for the 2026 closure and whether that explanation is supported by publicly available quantitative standards, forecasts, and modeled fishery impacts.

WDFW’s public explanation appears to rely heavily on the statement that fewer than 3,500 natural-origin Chinook are forecast to return to the Snohomish Basin in 2026.[1] However, my review of the Snohomish River Biological Opinion, including the abundance and escapement data shown in Figure 3, Figure 4, and Table 7, suggests that there have been numerous years in which natural-origin Chinook escapement in the Snohomish Basin was at or below this approximate level without the same type of broad “all river / all fishing” closure being implemented.[2]

In addition, the 2022 Puget Sound Chinook Harvest Management Plan appears to identify a Snohomish low-abundance threshold of 3,250 natural-origin spawners, as well as population-specific lower-bound thresholds for the Skykomish and Snoqualmie populations.[3] As I read the plan, those thresholds do not appear to operate as a simple automatic closure trigger based solely on a preseason basin-wide return forecast. Rather, they appear to require an evaluation of projected escapement and allowable fishery impacts under a proposed fishing regime.

This distinction is important. A forecast of fewer than 3,500 natural-origin Chinook may be a serious conservation concern, but it does not by itself explain why all recreational fishing opportunity in the Skykomish system must be eliminated unless WDFW can also show that the proposed fisheries would exceed an allowable exploitation-rate, encounter-rate, release-mortality, or spawner-reduction limit.

This issue is made more confusing by the apparent disparity between 2025 and 2026. Based on the publicly available preseason forecast materials, the 2025 Snohomish natural-origin Chinook forecast appears to have been lower than, or at least comparable to, the 2026 forecast.[4][5] Yet in 2025, WDFW initially allowed limited monitored fisheries, including the lower Skykomish hatchery Chinook fishery below the Wallace River and other selective opportunities, before implementing in-season restrictions when encounters or impacts approached the agreed limit.[6] In 2026, by contrast, WDFW appears to have closed the system up front, including fisheries that could potentially be geographically limited below the Wallace River or managed with selective gear, retention restrictions, and in-season monitoring.[1]

Accordingly, I respectfully request that WDFW identify the specific public-facing document or documents that establish the quantitative basis for the 2026 closure. In particular, I would appreciate answers to the following questions:

  1. What is the 2026 return forecast for natural-origin Skykomish Chinook specifically, as distinct from the basinwide Snohomish natural-origin Chinook forecast?
  2. What specific provision of the 2022 Puget Sound Chinook Harvest Management Plan, the 2026 List of Agreed Fisheries, an ESA biological opinion, an NMFS approval letter, or another formal agreement required closure of the Skykomish River to all fishing in 2026?
  3. What was the modeled 2026 allowable impact budget for Snohomish/Skykomish natural-origin Chinook after accounting for preterminal fisheries, including Canadian, ocean, Puget Sound marine, tribal, and non-treaty impacts?
  4. What was the remaining allowable in-river impact budget for recreational fisheries in the Skykomish system?
  5. What encounter-rate and release-mortality assumptions were used to determine that lower Skykomish fisheries, including a potential selective fishery below the Wallace River—such as the June 10 to July 10 Wallace-to-mouth fishery conducted in 2025—could not be run without exceeding the wild-Chinook impact cap?
  6. Did WDFW model any geographically limited alternative, such as opening the Skykomish only from the mouth to the Wallace River while closing all reaches above the Wallace, with the exception of the portion near Reiter? If so, what did that model show? If not, why was that alternative not evaluated?
  7. What assumptions about Chinook encounter rates, incidental mortality, spawning distribution, and allowable impacts were used to justify closing the South Fork Skykomish above Sunset Falls to all angling for the entire summer?
  8. With respect to the South Fork Skykomish and the Chinook transported above Sunset Falls, why would more targeted conservation measures not have been adequate, such as closures focused on areas previously identified as primary Chinook spawning reaches, or time-limited closures corresponding with the expected peak spawning period?
  9. What changed between 2025 and 2026 that made limited monitored fisheries acceptable in 2025 but unacceptable in 2026, despite the apparent similarity between the preseason natural-origin Chinook forecasts?
  10. Was the 2026 closure required by NOAA/NMFS as a condition of ESA compliance, required by a specific term of the LOAF or co-manager agreement, or adopted by WDFW as a discretionary conservation measure?
If the closure was required by a formal quantitative standard, I respectfully request that WDFW cite the specific provision and provide the underlying calculation showing how the proposed fisheries exceeded the applicable limit.

If, instead, the closure was a discretionary WDFW management decision based on precaution, monitoring limitations, staff capacity, co-manager concerns, or a policy judgment that the remaining impact budget was too small to manage safely, I respectfully request that WDFW say so clearly. That may still be a defensible management decision, but it should not be presented to the public as though it were compelled by a specific ESA, NOAA, or LOAF requirement unless such a requirement can be identified.

I also want to acknowledge that WDFW is being asked to manage extremely complex fisheries under difficult budget conditions. I recognize that WDFW has faced significant fiscal constraints, staffing limitations, and reductions affecting monitoring, enforcement, hatchery operations, and other programs.[7][8] I am sympathetic to the practical difficulty of managing ESA-constrained fisheries when monitoring resources are limited. At the same time, that makes transparency even more important. If fishing opportunity is being lost because WDFW lacks the funding or staffing to monitor encounters adequately, that is materially different from saying that the fishery itself would necessarily exceed ESA impact limits.

Accordingly, I request clarification regarding the role of monitoring capacity. If WDFW determined that a limited lower-river fishery could theoretically be conducted within allowable Chinook impacts but could not be opened because WDFW lacked the funding or staffing to monitor encounters adequately, anglers and license buyers deserve to know whether opportunity is being lost because the biological impacts are too high, because the remaining impact budget is too uncertain, or because the agency lacks the resources to document and manage those impacts.

Finally, I ask that WDFW make the relevant forecast, FRAM or equivalent modeling outputs, encounter assumptions, release-mortality assumptions, spawning-distribution assumptions, and co-manager impact calculations available to the public in a form that allows anglers to understand the basis for the closure. The public explanation to date does not appear sufficient to distinguish between an ESA-mandated closure, a LOAF/co-manager requirement, a monitoring-capacity limitation, and a discretionary precautionary decision by WDFW.

I would welcome a response either directly to me or, preferably, in the form of a public statement, technical memorandum, or press release addressing these questions for the benefit of all affected anglers and license holders. If WDFW chooses to respond publicly rather than directly, I would appreciate receiving a link to that public response at my email address.

Thank you for your time and for your work managing Washington’s fisheries. I recognize that these are complex decisions involving ESA constraints, treaty co-management, uncertain forecasts, limited monitoring capacity, budget constraints, and competing conservation and opportunity goals. My request is simply that the agency provide a clear and quantitative explanation for why the 2026 Skykomish closure was necessary, particularly given historical return levels, prior management under the Snohomish River Biological Opinion, and the apparently different treatment of similar or lower forecast years.


Footnotes

[1] WDFW, “Snohomish Basin salmon, steelhead fisheries limited to protect wild Chinook,” June 2026.


[2] NOAA Fisheries, “Endangered Species Act Section 7(a)(2) Biological Opinion and Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act Essential Fish Habitat Response for Snohomish River Basin Salmonid Hatchery Programs,” including Figure 3, Figure 4, and Table 7.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/f...r/Snohomish River NOAA Biological Opinion.pdf

[3] WDFW and Puget Sound Treaty Tribes, “Puget Sound Chinook Harvest Management Plan,” 2022.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/02309/wdfw02309.pdf

[4] WDFW, “2025 Puget Sound Chinook Forecasts,” Feb. 27, 2025.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/events/2025-02/2025-2024-PS_Chinook_forecasts_27Feb2025.pdf

[5] WDFW, “2026 Puget Sound Chinook Forecasts,” Feb. 24, 2026.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/events/2026-02/2026-2025-forecasts_24Feb2026_HC.pdf

[6] WDFW, “The Salmon Fishing Current Blog: Summer and Fall 2025 Edition,” including Snohomish/Skykomish in-season closure discussion.


[7] WDFW, “2026 Legislative Session: Budget Information.”
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/administration/budget/update

[8] WDFW, “2025 Impacts and 2026 Session Budget Update,” June 24, 2025.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/f...25-impacts-and-2026-session-budget-update.pdf"
 
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