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They exist, even the mythical 6# cutts of a certain bay out here.
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I have actually seen some like that where I used to live, and around this time of year too. They were very aggressively feeding on shiners on an outgoing in heavy current, impressive stuff to watch.
Nice fish, certainly a trophy cutt from around here.
 
Headed out this morning. It has been kind of a slow start to my fall searun fishing on my favorite beaches. Some fish around, but doesn’t seem like a lot yet. I’ve seen that happen before. All the coho jumping close to shore may not be helping either, but I’m not sure. Hopefully we get some good rain and they head upstream.
I hooked one really nice fish on a silver Goldie pattern. It immediately jumped into a big paddy of eel grass that was floating by. It came unbuttoned while I was stripping it in with a big wad of salad. Reminded me of bass fishing. πŸ˜‚ One other small fish to had and a couple weak grabs and that was it.
My buddy got a couple small fish before I arrived. One of the locals mentioned catching a couple cutts on the evening high last night, so that is encouraging.
Lots of seals around.
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I added to my golf ball collection.
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It was cool watching the light fade while fishing during the eclipse. I had a perfect view of the sun but unfortunately clouds and fog didn’t provide for a stellar view at it.
SF
 
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I was listening to Outdoor Line while driving to the beach today.
They mentioned an updated coho run forecast for the Snohomish system.
Anyone know where you can find that info?
They also mentioned WDFW is exploring digital licenses and catch cards.
SF
 
I was listening to Outdoor Line while driving to the beach today.
They mentioned an updated coho run forecast for the Snohomish system.
Anyone know where you can find that info?
They also mentioned WDFW is exploring digital licenses and catch cards.
SF
I think they said over 150,000 Snohomish system coho in 2023. 3X the forecasted numbers.
 
I think they said over 150,000 Snohomish system coho in 2023. 3X the forecasted numbers.
That is incredible, especially after so many bad years. I wonder what was going on in the ocean that made conditions so good for resident and ocean going coho
 
Perhaps one of the best opportunities for a potential in-season coho run size update is the Ballard counts for lake Washington. As of last week there had been 49,168 estimated to have entered the lake system. The pre-season run forecast for the system was 21,554. Considering the excellent marine recreational coho fishing it is not much of a stretch that the actually run size could be more than 2.5 times the preseason numbers. BTW it for lake Washington a coho update might be possible be mid-September.

The Snohomish wild coho forecast was 76,000. To date there has been 18,263 coho counted at Sunset Falls . Typically 20 to 25% of the Snohomish basin spawn above Sunset Falls. Considering the low flows to date it maybe possible that the escapement portion of the Snohomish wild coho threaten that 150,000 level. Keep in mind twice in the early 2000s the escapement reach 1/4 million.

I think DimeBrite nailed the ocean conditions driving this improvement in the PS coho abundances.

Curt
 
Pardon my ignorance as I’m new to all of this but what would be the reasoning behind keeping harvesting open for Coho on the river versus closed harvest in the salt? If numbers are good of course. Less likely to hook up with one in the rivers? Wouldn’t there be more potential for things to go wrong on the rivers as they’re heading to spawn?
 
Pardon my ignorance as I’m new to all of this but what would be the reasoning behind keeping harvesting open for Coho on the river versus closed harvest in the salt? If numbers are good of course. Less likely to hook up with one in the rivers? Wouldn’t there be more potential for things to go wrong on the rivers as they’re heading to spawn?
As far as I know to the state an encounter is an encounter. So the idea is the harvest opportunity has shifted to the rivers. As far as things going wrong, I'm not sure what you mean.
 
jerajames -
Good question about the salt being closed while allowing coho fishing in the rivers. It is a more complex issue than it might appear on the surface.

First and foremost must recognize that virtual all the marine fisheries are mixed stock fisheries, that is there are multiple stocks (fish from different river systems) in the fishery. Such fisheries can be controlled by the weakest (that which is the worst shape) with fishing being closed when impacts on that weaker stock is reach even though there can be abundant coho from other systems.

Conversely, those fish returning to a river with abundant stocks (in excess of escapement needs) fish can be allowed while some marine areas can be closed.

Maybe a simple example lets assume a simple fishery in a single MA with two coho stock A one of which is robust run) expect to be well above escapement needs) the other with a weaker stock B (with a limited excess of escapement needs). Once the limit excess is taken the marine fishery might be closed, in river fishery in Stock A river allowed and the river in stock B closed. It can be further complicated if the decision is made in the NOF process is to share those limited excess for Stock B between the marine fishery and the in-river fishery. In that case because the coho are caught earlier in the year than those in the river it may be the case that the marine fish would close an in-river for stock B would be allowed until that excess is taken.

At times later in the season there can be updates to a particular run (often based on terminal commercial fishery catches). In those cases the amount of river fishing can be adjusted either to longer or shorter time on the water. The timing of those updates typically are late enough to provide meaningful opportunity in the salt.

Also remember that we are fishing the salt months and, in some cases, year-round prior to the coho even showing up in the rivers in meaningful numbers so the peak marine fishing will always be earlier than that in the rivers.

Experience has proven that there is a lot less than can go wrong in handling fish for the mature in-river fish than those caught weeks or months prior to entering the river. The handling mortality on in-river fish (especially those close to sexual maturity) than those in the salt. This is due in large part to the changes those maturing fish undergo that toughen them up to handle the rigors of spawning. One is that a coho scales are actual contained within an envelope of skin. As the fish matures and stops growing that skin thickens and essentially embeds the scale making it more difficult to significantly injure the fish. You may have noticed early in the summer a coho readily sheds scales as we handle them, a few week later the scale loss is less and by the time the fish begins to color the individual scales are difficult to remove.

All the above is a simplistic look at the question and with most things in fisheries management there can be exceptions or more complex turns.

hope this helps
Curt
 
I know WDFW doesn't roll like that but I'd take an emergency opener in Area 9 over the Spring Blackmouth in Area 10 right now. I am at the waterfront looking at a magically glass Puget Sound with a nice tide rip right by shore with scores of baitfish, just begging for a cutplug herring. My dad is still in the "downriggers or nothing" club and I need to convert him
 
Good to hear from you Roger it’s been awhile since you’ve posted. Hope your doing well.
Roger,

As mentioned, great to see you around, hope all is well and you are getting out on the water.
SF
Thanks for your concerns!

I am an "old Fud" who will be 87 years old the end of Oct. and am still above ground. Actually I am going to be cremated and have my ashes spread on a meadow on mazama ridge near Paradise on Mt. Rainer to nourish some wild flowers.

I have not been fishing on Puget Sound for a while since I had a health issue and my boat and trailer needed some major repairs. Those problems have been resolved and I should be out on Puget Sound chasing after sea-run cutthroat shortly.

Roger
 
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Thanks for your concerns!

I am an "old Fud" who will be 87 years old the end of Oct. and am still above ground. Actually I am going to be cremated and have my ashes spread on a meadow on mazama ridge near Paradise on Mt. Rainer to nourish some wild flowers.

I have not been fishing on Puget Sound for a while since I had a health issue and my boat and trailer needed some major repairs. Those problems have been resolved and I should be out on Puget Sound chasing after sea-run cutthroat shortly.

Roger
It would be greatly appreciated if you wouldn’t spread those ashes just yet…

I was looking for some info on tying Delia Squids and came across a reference to your floating pattern. I then saw a post that said a person should go back to the old site and check out your posts there. So, I did. Just with the search parameter of Delia there were quite a number of posts. So down the rabbit hole I went. Climbing back out took me a while, it did…

So now I’m gearing up to tie up tube flies in addition to the rest that I need for SRC’s. The encyclopedia of knowledge from is intimidating in its depth. An incredible resource. Many thanks to all.

Fortunately, at a relatively young 70 I have time to learn and assimilate…

Puget Sound Newby for sure…

Kent
 
How large is the B run of Coho compared to the "A" run up here? I always found it interesting how fish get caught well into December in the fresh but even when open you don't hear much about mature coho caught past the first week of October
 
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