NFR: The War in Ukraine

[Zak]

So, it might be the whiskey talking here.

I am very worried about climate change. I think we have a short window of time to act before the permafrost melts and the methane cathrates release and we (or at least most of the species on this planet) are screwed. The solution is a transition away from coal, oil, and gas.

Putin's regime relies on oil and gas exports. As the late John McCain put it, Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country.

Isn't now the time to make the switch to electrification and renewable electrictricu generation?

I've always, until recently, been antinuke. But if building nuclear plants is what it takes to kill two birds with one stone, and say build modern nuke plants.

The two birds here are, of course, getting off the climate change slippery slope and crushing Putin's regime in Russia.

Thoughts?

 

[Roper]

So, it might be the whiskey talking here.

I am very worried about climate change. I think we have a short window of time to act before the permafrost melts and the methane cathrates release and we (or at least most of the species on this planet) are screwed. The solution is a transition away from coal, oil, and gas.

Putin's regime relies on oil and gas exports. As the late John McCain put it, Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country.

Isn't now the time to make the switch to electrification and renewable electrictricu generation?

I've always, until recently, been antinuke. But if building nuclear plants is what it takes to kill two birds with one stone, and say build modern nuke plants.

The two birds here are, of course, getting off the climate change slippery slope and crushing Putin's regime in Russia.

Thoughts?

Yeah Zak, judging by your spelling and text, it could be the whiskey. Which one…?

on the other hand, where do you think electricity comes from? The current infrastructure won’t support a butt load of electric vehicles. And then there’s the cost. Most common folks can’t afford one. I say let’s see if John Wick is back…

 

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[FinLuver]

There’s always that… ”15% ethanol gas” this Summer. It’ll create a speedy vacuum to proliferate the buying of electric cars…planned destruction (obsolescence) of your current auto’s engine. Heck, it’ll even be more costly to the pocket book and to the environment. Win-Wins all around!!!

 

[Zak]

Yeah Zak, judging by your spelling and text, it could be the whiskey. Which one…?

on the other hand, where do you think electricity comes from? The current infrastructure won’t support a butt load of electric vehicles. And then there’s the cost. Most common folks can’t afford one. I say let’s see if John Wick is back…

The Redbreast 12, again! I liked it so much I bought 2 bottles. I'll drink a toast to you for recommending it!

"where do you think electricity comes from" ... Thus my reconsideration of nuclear power.

Totally agree that electric cars are out of reach for a lot of people, and don't meet some people's needs. But the end of the age of oil has to come sometime, why wait till the bitter end?

 

[Rio Grande King]

 

[Billy]

I blame you @Zak

 

[Evan B]

We've already had to kill two threads on all the topics at hand. These never go to a good place, but I think it's important to discuss outside our usual echo chambers. If it shows signs of devolving, we'll kill the thread and move on.

Also, modern nuclear energy is cool shit. I'm all about moving in that direction if public support can come around. Unfortunately, there's lots of bad info being pushed by other energy industries, so who knows if we'll ever get there.

 

[charles sullivan]

This is presently where our electricity comes from:

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source? - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

I doubt we are importing any Russian Coal or Natural gas to speak of. The global warming impacts are real, however.

I am not worried at all about infrastructure for Electric cars. Infrastructure happens when there is a need. The cars are coming. My wife's plug in hybrid is scheduled to show up soon. The coasts/ urban areas will lead the way and the other areas will lag. There are charging stations already in most all of the areas that we drive. I have bought my last full gas powered vehicle.

Electricity prices are likely to rise. With that, the incentive to create electricity and store energy will also rise. This is an issue that the adaptive nature of free market capitalism should be primed to deal with. Let's go USA!

Trucking/ ag/ shipping is the area where electric vehicles are problematic presently. I am unsure of the percentage of fossil fuels burned there.

There was a time where American thought about what we could accomplish together for the good of the country. We were willing to dream big as a country and find a way. It seems like cynicism and tribalism together with equal parts confirmation bias based information consumption and cognitive dissonance is crushing our collective intelligence level.

I find that frustrating.

Let's go USA!

 

[Rob Allen]

So, it might be the whiskey talking here.

I am very worried about climate change. I think we have a short window of time to act before the permafrost melts and the methane cathrates release and we (or at least most of the species on this planet) are screwed. The solution is a transition away from coal, oil, and gas.

Putin's regime relies on oil and gas exports. As the late John McCain put it, Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country.

Isn't now the time to make the switch to electrification and renewable electrictricu generation?

I've always, until recently, been antinuke. But if building nuclear plants is what it takes to kill two birds with one stone, and say build modern nuke plants.

The two birds here are, of course, getting off the climate change slippery slope and crushing Putin's regime in Russia.

Thoughts?

This is not the opinion I want to have but I agree.

Russia and global warming aside America has an increasing demand for energy. I do not want the entire country covered with low efficiency solar and wind power generation plants.

Seems to me, and I am open to corrections Nuclear power is the best option available.

HOWEVER. We are burning up massive amounts of fossil fuels mining the minerals necessary to manufacture batteries for electric cars. According to what I read the dump truck they use in the mining process burns 1800 gallons of fuel in a shift. During that shift it moves enough material for one tesla battery.
IF that is true makes me wonder how much value electric cars are as they related to global warming.

 

[_WW_]

According to what I read the dump truck they use in the mining process burns 1800 gallons of fuel in a shift. During that shift it moves enough material for one tesla battery.

Where did you read that?

 

[Evan B]

Where did you read that?

Yeah, i see these types of crazy numbers all the time, but rarely see them linked to any hard data anywhere. But Rob is otherwise spot on.

 

[SSPey]

Battery electric cars make up for their higher manufacturing emissions within eighteen months of driving—shorter range models can offset the extra emissions within 6 months—and continue to outperform gasoline cars until the end of their lives.

Cleaner Cars from Cradle to Grave

Over their lifetime, battery electric vehicles produce far less global warming pollution than their gasoline counterparts—and they’re getting cleaner.

www.ucsusa.org

 

[Rob Allen]

Where did you read that?

It was on Facebook somewhere. . That's why I posted it with a big if. If I can find the source again I'll post it.

 

[Evan B]

It was on Facebook somewhere. . That's why I posted it with a big if. If I can find the source again I'll post it.

Especially on FB, always have your internal fact checker on. Facebook is basically known now as the place to go if you want wrong info.

 

[Stonedfish]

EV are coming whether folks want them or not.
Honda was a bit late to the show, but this came out a couple days ago.
SF

Redirect Notice

 

[Pink Nighty]

I've been wondering a lot about nuclear, and I'm wondering if our current model for how they work (huge plant/facility over thousands of acres) isn't the primary issue that we have faced.

We have nuclear plants in every submarine and battleship now and I am assuming that's safe for the people on board. If we dont need to have a significant physical distance from the generators then potentially we do not need to operate an enormous facility out in BFE. No need for a Hanford if we could have many smaller plants throughout a city.

I love seeing energy become more electricity oriented. Not because of a green agenda and a hatred of oil, but because of the energy independence it offers citizens. Theoretically people can manufacture and store electricity at the individual level. A solar panel and a water tower could be in backyards one day acting as a mechanical battery for smooth electricity generation.

The infrastructure of oil is unobtainable to the individual. Even if it were, the ability to store and transport that energy is severely limited by the weight and volatility of petroleum products.

I remember reading @iveofione (I believe) on the old site talking about his Jackerys. While they arent perfect yet, the ability to carry several days worth of electricity and power in a little box is absolutely mindblowing. What might that look like in 10 years? 50?

That's why I believe in electric cars and such. All power/fuel can be converted to electricity. But I cant make internal combustion happen from solar. Cant turn nuclear power into gasoline.

 

[Rob Allen]

Especially on FB, always have your internal fact checker on. Facebook is basically known now as the place to go if you want wrong info.

Especially on fly fishing..... wow..

 

[Evan B]

Especially on fly fishing..... wow..

I haven't been on Facebook since like 2016, but it seems like it's just a dumpster fire for everything now. The fishing communities used to be pretty good. But if this forum is doing as well as it is, then there's obviously a demand for something else.

 

[Canuck from Kansas]

This is not the opinion I want to have but I agree.

Russia and global warming aside America has an increasing demand for energy. I do not want the entire country covered with low efficiency solar and wind power generation plants.

Seems to me, and I am open to corrections Nuclear power is the best option available.

HOWEVER. We are burning up massive amounts of fossil fuels mining the minerals necessary to manufacture batteries for electric cars. According to what I read the dump truck they use in the mining process burns 1800 gallons of fuel in a shift. During that shift it moves enough material for one tesla battery.
IF that is true makes me wonder how much value electric cars are as they related to global warming.

In my youth, I worked in a iron ore mine in Fermont Quebec - worked around 150 ton trucks (shovels were electric), they do not use the amount of fuel sited above.

A 240 ton truck uses up to approximately 130 liters/h (upwards of 800 gallons per 24hr shift), ie, less than half of the sited - this is when being used at max RPMs - fuel consumption can be dramatically decreased by operating at lower RPMs.

Reduce Haul Truck Fuel Consumption - Modular Mining

www.modularmining.com

cheers