Interesting watery find!

Shawn Seeger

Shawn Seeger

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I love history and the finding of new artifacts, although this was initially found in 2007... it seems really cool!

We're headed back to Scotland/Orkney this summer and will be visiting several Prehistoric sites and Standing Stone locations. So, this story struck home!

www.thebrighterside.news

Researchers discover 9000-Year-Old ‘Stonehenge-Like’ Structure in Lake Michigan

Within the heart of Grand Traverse Bay, this enigmatic discovery was to forever rewrite our understanding of the region's ancient past.
www.thebrighterside.news www.thebrighterside.news

I wonder how many fishermen have seen these in fish finders?
 
Billy said:
I feel like these ancient civilizations were way more advanced then we give them credit for....
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Agreed. It seems like every big new archeological discovery pushes the dates we humans accomplished something further back in time (often by many thousands of years).

Here's a golden oldie (another cool underwater find):

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Antikythera mechanism - Wikipedia

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Billy said:
I feel like these ancient civilizations were way more advanced then we give them credit for....
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We can't mess up our image of ourselves as the apex of evolution, having recently figured all the important stuff out...
 
Billy said:
I feel like these ancient civilizations were way more advanced then we give them credit for....
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Ever listen to Graham Hancock? Check out 'Ancient Apocalypse' on Netflix.
Or his visits with Joe Rogan on his podcast.

He's got an interesting hypothesis that there were some really damn advanced civilizations, but they were wiped out by the younger dryas. It's an interesting thought IMO.
 
Long_Rod_Silvers said:
Ever listen to Graham Hancock? Check out 'Ancient Apocalypse' on Netflix.
Or his visits with Joe Rogan on his podcast.

He's got an interesting hypothesis that there were some really damn advanced civilizations, but they were wiped out by the younger dryas. It's an interesting thought IMO.
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There is clearly a lot of what we know (or think we know) about the past that will grow and continue to change. We here in Washington are the epitome of it, with J Harlen Bretz proposing a flood theory that would take decades to be be accepted. But Graham Hancock is someone who wants to be known and famous more than anything. His basic premise is "if you can't prove X, than I get to claim Y as true." I don't care if you want to go the scientific or journalistic route, that's neither.
 
tkww said:
There is clearly a lot of what we know (or think we know) about the past that will grow and continue to change. We here in Washington are the epitome of it, with J Harlen Bretz proposing a flood theory that would take decades to be be accepted. But Graham Hancock is someone who wants to be known and famous more than anything. His basic premise is "if you can't prove X, than I get to claim Y as true." I don't care if you want to go the scientific or journalistic route, that's neither.
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I've found Graham Hancock to have incredibly intriguing ideas, which he then shits all over by refusing to engage in even basic science.

He turns "there is literally zero concrete evidence for this idea" into "mainstream archaeologists dont want to believe" so commonly it becomes farcical.
 
Pink Nighty said:
He turns "there is literally zero concrete evidence for this idea" into "mainstream archaeologists dont want to believe" so commonly it becomes farcical.
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I’m always appreciative when someone uses phrasing like that or “the official story”. It saves time by letting me know I can disregard what follows. No one says"The official story is that the density of water is roughly 1 g/ml", or "The official story is that gravity is the reason things are pulled toward the center of the earth". They only trot it out before a conspiracy theory.

At least, that's the official story.

To counter any drift resulting from the above: That find in Grand Traverse Bat isn’t a megalith so much as it is a rather long line of stones that may have been used to drive caribou and other game towards hunters. If true, it's still indicative of human intelligence and organization, though. Maybe that takes away some of the fun, but to me it's even cooler to gain an understanding of how ancient people truly lived and thrived in an hostile environment without any modern tools or conveniences.

At least, that's the official story from the Nautical Archaeology Society at Northwestern Michigan College https://nasnmc.com and Dr. Mark Holley, an archaeologist in Michigan (https://holleyarchaeology.com/wordpress/index.php/the-truth-about-the-stonehenge-in-lake-michigan/).
 
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Old Man Jim had this to say about it all: "Mainstream underwater archeologist will have you believe this is to hunt, at least that's the official version.
Though back then it was known as Mastadon Playa, a place where people came to party. Every one helped build and then burn a giant Mastadon. The festival was known as Burning Mastadon, and all kinds of cool kids came, Clovis Pointers, Chert Knappers, Obsidian flakers, even a handful of French Canadian trappers. Pretty sure all of them were called Francois, Jean Pierre or Jean Francois. Everyone would carve into one of those stones. that's where the phrase "He'll give you the chert off his back" came from. Mainstream word provenance folks will tell you different, but the real truth of It? It means to loan some chert to get down and do some serious pictographic mammalian representational art while off-your-gourd smashed on the Playa"
 
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