High Sierra prospecting and fishing.

I just got home from a week long trip to the Sierra Nevada mountains above the town of Sierra City into the Lakes Basin Area in the shadow of the Sierra Buttes and amazingly beautiful rocky ridge towering above the surrounding countryside.

This was to be primarily a prospecting trip with a group of friends whom are other board of directors for a club I’m Vice President of “Western States Prospecting Association” WSPA, we were exploring one of our claims with the intention to submit a plan of operation through the Sacramento BLM to move some earth with heavy equipment and claim some new ground for the club to nugget hunt. In addition to metal detectors and other prospecting tools I brought my spay rod and two tenkara rods plus a small net and small chest pack with my flys and tippets.

Once up there and confirming I’d have time to actually do a little fishing I was able to find adequate cell service in Sierra City to access the California fish and game website to purchase my fishing license a ten day non resident fishing license was the best deal and fairly reasonably priced at $62.50 for the ten day stretch.

My first try was at Salmon creek a small stream flowing near the entrance to sardine and packer lakes off gold lake highway. All of my spots for fishing were chosen based on my limitations during recovery from my accident and subsequent back surgery as walking is still painful and difficult in uneven terrain. Using my Dragontail mini 360 I did catch and release one small rainbow trout in this stream fishing a couple spots and dispute being careful did loose my balance then accidentally stepping into the stream before being chased out by nightfall. I’ll add it was equally difficult walking the steep uneven hillsides prospecting even carrying my newly made aid my walking pick a new prospecting pick I’d made with a much longer handle I use to navigate the difficult terrain and of course dig my targets.

The next day I headed out earlier we were getting a little cloud burst high in the mountains so I took the opportunity to try my luck fishing on the Yuba River. Heading down highway 49 I first tried finding a spot I fished as a kid with my grandfather just above Sierra City but that access was no longer available blocked by private property so I headed down below to an area called Goodyears Bar but on getting there it was much to much of a climb down to the river for me and I continued looking farther down river driving a few more miles down river to the Rocky Ridge camp grounds where there is easy access to the River, this is also easy access for swimmers and everyone else so the river and beaches were a little crowded, plus it was still tough for me walking down the rocky shoreline down to the river.

While changing into my wading pants and shoes a local fishing guide stopped to chat and he offered some tips on the river mentioning he’d taken some fish from the area I was heading to the day before. I really have no idea how soon new fish migrate into areas previously fished and have no idea how fishing pressure and swimmers affected my chances but this was really about where I could access cause fishing someplace was better than not fishing at all.

After reaching the river I made my way into the water my felt boot soles helping grip the slippery rocks but I was very uncomfortable making frequent grabs at my walking stick to keep me on my feet as I easily lost my balance in the fast current now almost waste deep in the river. This was my first time in the water and moving around much was not only difficult more so than I’d imagined but exhausting so I kind of stayed planted casting upstream and across the river allowing my fly to drift downstream, I had a few bad casts but mostly casting my fly line went pretty well and I was getting some really long casts diagonally across the river upstream. I fished that spot for maybe an hour then decided to move upstream a little and lost my balance toward the shore line and wound up crawling out of the river rather then trying to stand. It was surprising to my just how heavy my water soaked boots felt and how much more difficult walking in the river was. I didn’t get any bites on any of my casts but it was a interesting experience my first time in the water since the accident and first time ever fly fishing I learned a lot from that attempt,

I also fished upper salmon lake one evening with no luck and this was kind of what I expected having fished lower salmon lake a lot the bite there was very specific to the time early morning and evenings and then always difficult from shore. Next I fished packer lake this time with the dragontail Hellbender and had a couple hits on my fly but no real hook ups same thing giving Snag lake a try a little action but that was it.

All in all it was a great trip and it was fantastic just being there fishing was icing on the cake and a little gold was found too, mostly it was just great being up in the mountains with friends.
 
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Sounds like you may have had a walking stick available but not in your hand. At this point in my life, I always use a wading staff that is clipped to my sling pack. When I move, the staff is in my hand. It helps with mobility on the river. Last trip on the Deschutes River in Oregon I inadvertently left my staff in the truck and didn’t discover it until our first camp that night. It took me a while to become used to not having it and I was very unsteady on my feet, but waded conservatively and my confidence grew. I am familiar with the river and knew where I couldn’t wade without it. I will be more careful with making sure it is in the boat from now on.
 
Good report.
I'm an ole prospector, fish and gold go together like PB&J.
As I have gotten older, I don't go out prospecting or fishing without my wading staff.
What happens to me is when I stop to cast and let my staff hang is when I have gone down.
I try to never go deeper than knee deep when wading
 
Wow, some great pictures of the yuba and that trout is just beautiful I don’t know where that was but not easy to get to I’m sure was that in the area of Goodyears Bar? Hopefully next year when I’m up there I’ll be a little more mobile. I did force myself to put the hours in detecting the hillsides but this trip came up short as hard as I worked I was moving pretty slow although now that I’m home I’m feeling stronger.

As far as pictures go I didn’t take any this time around the water the odds we’re pretty good I’d fall in and most areas were without cell service although they do have something new up there and other remote areas that worked pretty well on iPhone 14 and above in the form of satellite text communication. At any rate I didn’t carry my phone much.

I do have a couple pictures from previous trips one a view looking down on Gold Lake from higher up in the ground sluice runs from the old timers above one of our claims. Another picture is looking down Howard Creek at around this time of year the run off gone and the creek dry and some gold from this area and a few other spots.IMG_5233.pngIMG_4711.pngIMG_5231.png

I said walking stick but what I had was what you all suggested a collapsible wading staff with tungsten tip attached to my belt with a heavy duty retractable cable I could keep close to my right hip of lock extended… it was just nothing was automatic for me I had no muscle memory yet, hmmm and still don’t, lol.

Next time we are up there I’ll post something here and if anyone is interested in prospecting we can meet up in the gold fields.

Comstick prospectors did have and probably still do a claim on the Yuba near Rocky Ridge and at the convergence in downtown Downieville.
 
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Wow, some great pictures of the yuba and that trout is just beautiful I don’t know where that was but not easy to get to I’m sure was that in the area of Goodyears Bar? Hopefully next year when I’m up there I’ll be a little more mobile. I did force myself to put the hours in detecting the hillsides but this trip came up short as hard as I worked I was moving pretty slow although now that I’m home I’m feeling stronger.

As far as pictures go I didn’t take any this time around the water the odds we’re pretty good I’d fall in and most areas were without cell service although they do have something new up there and other remote areas that worked pretty well on iPhone 14 and above in the form of satellite text communication. At any rate I didn’t carry my phone much.

I do have a couple pictures from previous trips one a view looking down on Gold Lake from higher up in the ground sluice runs from the old timers above one of our claims. Another picture is looking down Howard Creek at around this time of year the run off gone and the creek dry and some gold from this area and a few other spots.View attachment 168571View attachment 168572View attachment 168573

I said walking stick but what I had was what you all suggested a collapsible wading staff with tungsten tip attached to my belt with a heavy duty retractable cable I could keep close to my right hip of lock extended… it was just nothing was automatic for me I had no muscle memory yet, hmmm and still don’t, lol.

Next time we are up there I’ll post something here and if anyone is interested in prospecting we can meet up in the gold fields.

Comstick prospectors did have and probably still do a claim on the Yuba near Rocky Ridge and at the convergence in downtown Downieville.
The pictures from the stretch between Goodyears bar and Fiddle creek campground. Good fishing but access is challenging off of the side of the road.
Would love to check out the prospecting, keep us informed.
 
Enjoyed reading this and seeing the photos. Thanks for sharing. My grandfather had a house on the Middle Fork of the Feather River up that way - it was my introduction to fishing. Many good memories hiking and fishing in that general area throughout my childhood.
 
In ‘93-94 I took a job in Susanville, California. As it was 450 miles from home I came home every other weekend, got a couple good USFS and BLM maps and spent the weekends away from home scouting fishing sites. One weekend I was up on the Feather River just below Canyonville at Lake Almanor. A sketchy dirt road down into the canyon led one to a cluster of gold claims with a shack that was a bar, operated by an elderly lady whose husband had been the Operations Manager at the Canyonville dam for years. I asked about the gold mining and she proceeded to tell me of years of living there and working claims, said Feather River was known for size and quality of the nuggets. She showed me an old picture of herself hold a nugget the looked about the size and shape of a roll of toilet paper if it were smashed on the side to about 1/2 original thickness. Can’t remember what it weighed but very impressive.
 
I’ll bet that was something special a nugget like that is measured in pounds with an impressive value even a hundreds of dollars an ounce imagine what its value today with gold hovering towards $4k an ounce.

This is a picture of gold found around the gold lake area by a fellow named Chris Ralph a former member of WSPA he is a geologist by trade and you may have seen his gold prospecting tutorials on YouTube or have his book on hunting gold. Finds like these were not at all uncommon in the past and big gold is scarce but still out there for the lucky hunter putting in the time…IMG_4712.jpeg
 
The old miners cabin I used to stay in every year circled in red is located on a dirt road accessed from Salmon lake road near the entrance off Gold lake highway it is still owned by a distant cousin who bought everyone else out after the cabin collapsed under an epically heavy snow load one winter in the early 1960’s. The walking trail down to the lake marked in red to where our old wooden row boat was chained to a tree on the edge of lower Salmon lake, the pattern we trolled a dry fly also marked in red.
 

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35 years ago, there was 6 room, 2 showers and washer and dryer facility in La Porte owned and operated by woman named Marty. She grew up on the Feather River. She was a classy, crusty old gal. One day, she showed my partner and me a large turkey platter full and piled high with nuggets from the Feather. Never will forget that!
 
Wouldnt mind scraping those crevices
I got into this a little more seriously around 10 years ago buying the 7000 preorder but never got the chance to dredge it was beginning to be restricted, I understand AMRA has successfully defended reclamation permits so maybe we can both fish and create better fish habitat again at the same time?
 
I got into this a little more seriously around 10 years ago buying the 7000 preorder but never got the chance to dredge it was beginning to be restricted, I understand AMRA has successfully defended reclamation permits so maybe we can both fish and create better fish habitat again at the same time?
You mean by digging the fish habitat up with power tools? Is that your fish habitat improvement plan?
 
I was probably wrong introducing this into the forum if there is disagreement as to the affect of dredging on fish habitat if so mods can close this to discussion if it drifts into discord, it is on the other hand pertinent to our activity so I hope this is an informative polite discussion that avoids being political in any way.

My understanding dredging has never stopped, simply the operators, outside contractors working under contract continue to perform reclamation dredging removing mercury and gold as a byproduct rather than mining removing gold and mercury as a byproduct same thing and same result to the betterment of rivers and fish habitat one vilified the other touted beneficial. I know many dredgers and all have similar experience it’s difficult keeping fish away they actively feed on insects and organic material dislodged by dredging and take advantage of nesting opportunities in depressions in fiver bottoms. Realisticly the affect on river bottom is temporary runoff from winter snow melt reshapes river bottoms regularly.

But, I don’t claim to be an expert having never dredged myself I am curious what you base your opinion on, one of which you have every right to express. Thank you but please let’s keep this friendly and polite dealing just with facts as we understand them, after all we all wish to be good custodians of fish habitat and I’m open to learning.
Thank you
 
Comparing the effects of dredging to those of natural stream processes that occur during runoff or other high flows is a false equivalence. Stream biota evolved along with runoff and other high flows, which sorts gravel and other sediments in a sort of organized way, completely unlike dredge tailings. Dredging artificially destabilizes the stream bed. Dredging does dislodge a lot of invertebrates and many of them will die, especially mussels. Time it wrong and you’ll entrain larval fish, most of which will die. (Native fishes do exist other than just trout and other salmonids.) Dredgers are supposed to fix things back up when they’re done, but many many times, they don’t. I’ve seen it too often. And those are some of the reasons legal recreational dredging has been limited in some Western states.
 
Many years ago when I had permits to dredge in the Wenatchee river I had an experience I would like to share with you all.
With a little work with a shovel and pan I discovered a seam of mud in-between the sandstone bed rock, I could see the flacks of gold in the mud.
The next weekend I got my 3" dredge out and started getting the gold.
The next weekend I got out the 5" dredge and the 3" and my son and I got some more gold.
By the end of summer we had dredged out the seam and stopped finding gold.
We removed 5 lbs of lead bird shot, fishing weights and two oz of mercury.
We disposed of the lead in my trash bin at home and I put the mercury in a jar that I sold to a reclaimer.
At the end of Sept. I went back to see how things looked and found a pair of salmon spawning in the tailings. The mud seam had filled with sand and gravel without any high water movement.
In my opinion I did a good thing for the river and the fish.
 
Comparing the effects of dredging to those of natural stream processes that occur during runoff or other high flows is a false equivalence. Stream biota evolved along with runoff and other high flows, which sorts gravel and other sediments in a sort of organized way, completely unlike dredge tailings. Dredging artificially destabilizes the stream bed. Dredging does dislodge a lot of invertebrates and many of them will die, especially mussels. Time it wrong and you’ll entrain larval fish, most of which will die. (Native fishes do exist other than just trout and other salmonids.) Dredgers are supposed to fix things back up when they’re done, but many many times, they don’t. I’ve seen it too often. And those are some of the reasons legal recreational dredging has been limited in some Western states.
Hi Mike, I can’t argue what you have seen with your own eyes and some people can be irresponsible in their actions we see that all to often where detectors fail to do something as simply filling in the hole they have dug after collecting a target and this behavior negatively affects all responsible operators so the industry in whole condemns those individuals and enforces rules to discourage those that act irresponsibly by bans and other consequences for their actions.

This is a rather lengthy article published on the effects of suction dredging on water quality and fish habitat poster to the American Mining Rights Association with comments by Shannon Poe a former practicing attorney and advocate for mining and his opinion is obviously aligned with suction dredging, the question I guess is what is the real science behind all this?


Im a retired fire chief I spent 30 years in the fire service and responded to and directed crews on numerous incidents involving wildland urban interface and can say many of our environmental forest management policies in my opinion are responsible for fueling the devastation caused by wildfires uncontrolled spread among communities.

Im sure you have seen the changes in fuel load and it is dramatic there are so many densely packed trees, shrubs and slash that in the past were mitigated by logging crews, controlled burns and fire breaks conducted the departments of forestry yet these devastating wildfires so is this climate change or the result of forest management, not to say climate and humidity don’t have an effect but in reality this is a math equation boiling down to calculating the potential BTU’s of fuel load against the available fire retardant at some point crews are simply unable to do one of three things remove the heat, remove the fuel or remove the oxygen, these are the available strategy.

So I wonder what is true sometimes but I have to agree with you dredging will affect water quality the question is the affect truly significant?
 
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