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jaredoconnor said:
Yeah. I would argue less so, though. You would know more about it than me, but my understanding is that seafood is at least somewhat regulated and the failures are generally pretty public.
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I'd suggest doing some digging into the seafood industry. You might be amazed at what you would find.

I'd argue that it's probably even more important to learn as much as you can about what you could possibly be buying, though to be fair with as shady as that world is it would be pretty well impossible to be truly informed.

You seem to care quite a bit about what you are eating, and I dont mean that in any negative manner, so it would probably do you some good to dig deeper before your next Costco purchase. Assuming it's safe because the government regulates it and it's sold in a big store is kinda sticking your head in the sand.
 
jaredoconnor said:
You're still missing my point. I'll try again.

My point is not that the Elma site is a hazard; it's that most people are oblivious to it, one way or the other. You have to be very informed about where you can and can't safely consume fish, in this state, because there are non-trivial hazards and many are much less visible than a huge nuclear power plant.
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I'm asking why or how is the Satsop Nuclear plant a hazard. I've laid out the fact it's essentially cement and rebar. It never operated. How is it a hazard?
 
Dustin Chromers said:
I'm asking why or how is the Satsop Nuclear plant a hazard. I've laid out the fact it's essentially cement and rebar. It never operated. How is it a hazard?
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It's not a hazard. It's an example of something very obvious that could be, yet many people are oblivious to it. That's my whole point. Now consider all the hazards that are invisible; radioactive plankton from Hanford ending up in a whale in Oregon, one of the many sewage plant overflows, the Duwamish waterway in general, upstream meth labs dumping into rivers, etc.

I'm not unaware of all the scandals in the seafood industry. However, I've never seen anything as bad as what eating out of the Duwamish would be, for example.
 
Meth labs are a very small issue with regards to pollution compared to so many households just dumping all sorts of toxic stuff down the drain and toilet. Then add on all the toxins going into storm water from vehicles, plant/lawn fertilizers, businesses, etc.
 
jaredoconnor said:
It's not a hazard. It's an example of something very obvious that could be, yet many people are oblivious to it. That's my whole point. Now consider all the hazards that are invisible; radioactive plankton from Hanford ending up in a whale in Oregon, one of the many sewage plant overflows, the Duwamish waterway in general, upstream meth labs dumping into rivers, etc.

I'm not unaware of all the scandals in the seafood industry. However, I've never seen anything as bad as what eating out of the Duwamish would be, for example.
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The satsop nuclear plant was literally protested loudly, publicly, and successfully. Nobody was or is oblivious to it. Oblivious might be buying fish because it has a fancy "green" label on it with little to no knowledge of where it came from or how it came to be in that greenwashed package ready to be bought by "informed" consumers. For that matter it goes for a great many things. I guess the moral of the story is marketing works really well especially if folks aren't going to look any deeper than the trendy slick logo of "the current thing."
 
Greg Armstrong said:
I can understand that about lakes Washington and Sammamish… log rafts in the old days. Perhaps some coated in creosote or some other preservatives, but what is it about Lake Meridian that could have caused this that we don’t know? Is there something unique about it compared to the other smaller lakes around it like Wilderness, Morton, Shadow, Pipe, Fenwick etc?

My Grandparents and Aunt had vacant lots and houses on Lk Meridian way back when I was a kid, and we spent a lot of time there swimming and fishing, ice skatin, etc. This was in the 50’s and 60’s so a lot could have changed since then, but I’d like to know what it was that caused this particular type of pollution in that lake.
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Having been a lake steward on one of the small lakes for a number of years, I too also wonder about the lakes you mentioned among others (like the one I live on). I have found the personnel working/supporting the monitoring programs to be very professional, responsive and knowledgeable. They also give seminars periodically and enjoy(?) questions from their audiences.

King County provides info about their water monitoring of large lakes:

Major lakes monitoring - King County

green2.kingcounty.gov green2.kingcounty.gov

Also provides monitoring info about small lakes, like those you mentioned:

Small lakes data and information - King County

green2.kingcounty.gov green2.kingcounty.gov

If people are interested they can contact them directly on the contact info of those web pages. Also if people are interested they welcome volunteers to help support the monitoring efforts.

Do they have the info or means to test for things like being discussed here? Don't know but it wouldn't surprise me in they were involved in the testing supporting the WDFW study. I do know they have improved the times and amount of testing recently. At least it is moving in the right direction...
 
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Dustin Chromers said:
The satsop nuclear plant was literally protested loudly, publicly, and successfully. Nobody was or is oblivious to it. Oblivious might be buying fish because it has a fancy "green" label on it with little to no knowledge of where it came from or how it came to be in that greenwashed package ready to be bought by "informed" consumers. For that matter it goes for a great many things. I guess the moral of the story is marketing works really well especially if folks aren't going to look any deeper than the trendy slick logo of "the current thing."
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I think you're failing to grasp my point, because you have lived here for some time and are evidently someone that is well informed. There are a lot of people that are not. I consider myself one of them and yet I'm still far more aware of these issues than most of my friends here.
 
RCF said:
Having been a lake steward on one of the small lakes for a number of years, I too also wonder about the lakes you mentioned among others (like the one I live on). I have found the personnel working/supporting the monitoring programs to be very professional, responsive and knowledgeable. They also give seminars periodically and enjoy(?) questions from their audiences.

King County provides info about their water monitoring of large lakes:

Major lakes monitoring - King County

green2.kingcounty.gov green2.kingcounty.gov

Also provides monitoring info about small lakes, like those you mentioned:

Small lakes data and information - King County

green2.kingcounty.gov green2.kingcounty.gov

If people are interested they can contact them directly on the contact info of those web pages. Also if people are interested they welcome volunteers to help support the monitoring efforts.

Do they have the info or means to test for things like being discussed here? Don't know but it wouldn't surprise me in they were involved in the testing supporting the WDFW study. I do know they have improved the times and amount of testing recently. At least it is moving in the right direction...
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A person could work with them to get a grant to get the funding for the additional lab work.

WaterWorks Grant Program - King County, Washington

<p>The WaterWorks Grant Program provides approximately $6 million in funding every two years to organizations carrying out a variety of water quality improvement projects in the service area for King County's regional wastewater system. </p>
kingcounty.gov kingcounty.gov
 
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Matt B said:
A person could work with them to get a grant to get the funding for the additional lab work.

WaterWorks Grant Program - King County, Washington

<p>The WaterWorks Grant Program provides approximately $6 million in funding every two years to organizations carrying out a variety of water quality improvement projects in the service area for King County's regional wastewater system. </p>
kingcounty.gov kingcounty.gov
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Ya, but no doubt they'd just cook the books as usual ;)
 
Dustin Chromers said:
No offense but I don't think you understand many facts about this site nor does Jared.. Like Jared you see a tower and assume "tower=toxic bad". It's concrete and rebar. It was a giant waste of money and a boondoggle to be sure but it never had nuclear material on site. It is however a giant facility with training potential. It's a business park today. Just imagine all those people glowing in the dark forced to work there. It's simply not true. But like I always say, don't let the facts stop you from creating a compelling fearful narrative. I'll keep eating Satsop coho and getting irradiated.
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Actually, No. I was being sarcastic
I know that it was never completed and never put into use.
 
Now I feel guilty because I think that the Costco three pieces of salmon with herbed butter on top "take and bake" is delicious.
 
jaredoconnor said:
I think you're failing to grasp my point, because you have lived here for some time and are evidently someone that is well informed. There are a lot of people that are not. I consider myself one of them and yet I'm still far more aware of these issues than most of my friends here.
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Actually I did not digging. It appears you are correct. The chehalis river and satsop are horribly polluted by fallout and other chemicals they used up there. It's probably best not to fish those rivers as the water and the fish are deeply contaminated. I'm surprised the state has not shut it down.
 
Dustin Chromers said:
Actually I did not digging. It appears you are correct. The chehalis river and satsop are horribly polluted by fallout and other chemicals they used up there. It's probably best not to fish those rivers as the water and the fish are deeply contaminated. I'm surprised the state has not shut it down.
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Don't give them ideas. It already shuts down after tomorrow.
 
I see folks keeping smallies out of the Columbia all the time. I don't even want to know what the people do during keeper sturgeon season. Those things literally root through the toxic waste that is the "river" bottom.

Ocean, high country lakes and streams, and anadromous fish are about all I'll eat.
 
Yard Sale said:
I see folks keeping smallies out of the Columbia all the time. I don't even want to know what the people do during keeper sturgeon season. Those things literally root through the toxic waste that is the "river" bottom.

Ocean, high country lakes and streams, and anadromous fish are about all I'll eat.
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The walleye fishery below Hanford trips me out. I mean I get that they are delicious but I just couldn't stomach eating anything out of there. I don't even eat anadromous stuff out of there. I think it's a travesty that things are so bad in some places that you can't eat the fish or drink the water.
 
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jaredoconnor said:
I think you're failing to grasp my point, because you have lived here for some time and are evidently someone that is well informed. There are a lot of people that are not. I consider myself one of them and yet I'm still far more aware of these issues than most of my friends here.
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Your friends need a wee bit more schooling or maybe spend more time asking questions and looking for answers.
 
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