SFR Bremerton Otter Assault! (from Seattle Times)

Sorta fishing-related
Status
Not open for further replies.
adamcu280 said:
Got it. Good thing commercial fishers have always had the long game in mind, have never over-harvested anything to the point of no return, and make sure their financial incentives are in best interest of the rest of the ecosystem all the time.
Click to expand...
No sense going all logical and common sense on us now… 😉
 
G- Smolt seriously? Thousands of urchin Divers? Seriously? That fishery is made up of just a couple hundred old guys just trying to hold on to the permit. GEEZ. I am trying to tell people on the north part of this coast, that the people on the south part of this coast have learned that these (God given) creatures are nasty as hell, and are capable of massive destruction. Why is that so hard to accept? Is it because they are cute and fury? That's always been the answer. Good grief.
 
Obviously commercial fisheries have historically fallen into the pattern of quick profits over sustainability. That mind set has changed significantly in recent years. Consumers pay more for seafood that has been deemed "sustainable". This is a good thing for the resource and for the long term investments into commercial fisheries. Now.... lets take the Sea Otter and put them into this equation. They screw up everything. They always have. That is what they do. That is the truth. I know that they are cute and fury but that is what they do.
 
Jim in Anacortes said:
reintroduce Sea Otters to Pass Lake. Yeah! Nature!...two weeks later that lake would have no fish
Click to expand...
You think they would eat all the human introduced for profit Rainbows and Browns?
Jim in Anacortes said:
many fisherman were perplexed, worried and feared that their historical way of life would be terminated.
Click to expand...
But none of them worried about the historical way of life for the sea otter that was there long before some one arrived to fish for profit. Remember, the first fisherman had no history. He was and still is the intruder going about mucking things up to fatten his wallet.

I think it's a good thing this big otter conglomerate. After all, otters were never given the opportunity to sign a treaty. We just had our way with them.
 
WW boils it right down. Does Mankind have the right to exploit animals? Does mankind simply have the right to have our way with the animal kingdom? IMHO, yes absolutely! I have leather shoes, a leather jacket, a steak on the grill and am tying flies with feathers from dead birds. Now if someone wants to give all that up and become vegan...good for you! But that does not change the fact that Sea Otters are a very destructive force of nature that most of us would be wise to take caution with.
 
Jim in Anacortes said:
G- Smolt seriously? Thousands of urchin Divers? Seriously? That fishery is made up of just a couple hundred old guys just trying to hold on to the permit. GEEZ. I am trying to tell people on the north part of this coast, that the people on the south part of this coast have learned that these (God given) creatures are nasty as hell, and are capable of massive destruction. Why is that so hard to accept? Is it because they are cute and fury? That's always been the answer. Good grief.
Click to expand...
150 permits, to be exact.

Which is why your argument is so ridiculous.

Your fundamental understanding of kelp forest health vis a vis sea otters is deeply flawed. I would urge you to look past your bias and learn the role they play in the ecosystem for far more benefit than 150 permits
 
Last edited:
I will revisit my example of Pass Lake. If Sea Otters were ever to be "reintroduced" to Pass Lake they would decimate every living thing that lives in those waters. EVERY LIVING THING. Of course they would be forced to move on to the other nearby lakes and repeat this process. This example is ( of course) just hypothetical, but it serves to illustrate (on a small scale) what would happen ON A LARGE SCALE if Sea Otters were ever "reintroduced" to the Salish Sea. Surely non of us would champion any effort to reintroduce Sea Otters at Pass Lake...however many college educated , properly funded people, would lie their asses... off and claim that this would be a good idea for the Salish Sea.....for enough money.
 
FinLuver said:
No sense going all logical and common sense on us now… 😉
Click to expand...
Something I learned at great expense in all those years in uni studying fisheries ecology/management/biology/economy and so forth.

I'm still waiting for the Big Otter checks to come rolling in...
 
Jim in Anacortes said:
I will revisit my example of Pass Lake. If Sea Otters were ever to be "reintroduced" to Pass Lake they would decimate every living thing that lives in those waters. EVERY LIVING THING. Of course they would be forced to move on to the other nearby lakes and repeat this process. This example is ( of course) just hypothetical, but it serves to illustrate (on a small scale) what would happen ON A LARGE SCALE if Sea Otters were ever "reintroduced" to the Salish Sea. Surely non of us would champion any effort to reintroduce Sea Otters at Pass Lake...however many college educated , properly funded people, would lie their asses... off and claim that this would be a good idea for the Salish Sea.....for enough money.
Click to expand...

doublefacepalm.jpeg

Sea otters live in salt water. Only an idiot would introduce them to a freshwater ecosystem. I know this because of science.

But... you say they'll eat EVERY LIVING THING!??!!? So they'd eat the algae and we could fish there again!? You've convinced me. I'm voting for sea otters at Pass Lake.
 
Jim in Anacortes said:
G- Smolt seriously? Thousands of urchin Divers? Seriously? That fishery is made up of just a couple hundred old guys just trying to hold on to the permit. GEEZ. I am trying to tell people on the north part of this coast, that the people on the south part of this coast have learned that these (God given) creatures are nasty as hell, and are capable of massive destruction. Why is that so hard to accept? Is it because they are cute and fury? That's always been the answer. Good grief.
Click to expand...
I think it's so hard to accept not because of their cuteness, but because you offer nothing but your word as evidence (and you dont even claim to be an expert in the arena) and dismiss all contrary evidence as biased and fraudulent. Including to actual professionals who's bonafides are very much on display here on a daily basis. And since you're disputing the widely held consensus of experts and professionals, the burden of proof lies with you. At least that's why I found it so hard to accept.

Maybe its their cuteness and the brainwashing though.🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 
G_Smolt This has nothing to do with those few Urchin Divers.. It has to do with the destruction that these animals bring to a healthy kelp bed. Just think of the benefits that a few hundred Sea Otters would bring to Fidalgo Island.....Tourisism might benefit, but the local Crab fishery would be completely destroyed, remember no size limit, females would be OK, no off seasons.... And then there are the clams, scallops, Sea Urchins, Sea cucumbers etc... all gone completely. A healthy ecosystem completely decimated. Would it be a good Idea to "reintroduce" them here....I think not.
 
Jim in Anacortes said:
G_Smolt This has nothing to do with those few Urchin Divers.. It has to do with the destruction that these animals bring to a healthy kelp bed. Just think of the benefits that a few hundred Sea Otters would bring to Fidalgo Island.....Tourisism might benefit, but the local Crab fishery would be completely destroyed, remember no size limit, females would be OK, no off seasons.... And then there are the clams, scallops, Sea Urchins, Sea cucumbers etc... all gone completely. A healthy ecosystem completely decimated. Would it be a good Idea to "reintroduce" them here....I think not.
Click to expand...
.... you should consider substantiating these claims with evidence that dont appeal to your own authority.
 
Pink Nighty it was G-smolt that wrote of the thousands of Urchin divers in CA. ( Post #196) I corrected him and he did his research as to the 150 permit holders. I stand by my words.
 
I cant believe people can be this stupid!
 
Last edited:
Cliff_Mass_1.jpg
Cliff Mass will be mediating a discussion of climate change and the temperate seas of the eastern Pacific. A break out session will explore the contributions of sea otters.

"Sea Otters: Benevolent Carbon Sink Kelp Gardners or Voracious Parking Lot Pavers?"

Sponsored by Big Otter
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top