SFR Bremerton Otter Assault! (from Seattle Times)

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Think of it this way....Let's let hundreds of expert divers loose on this kelp bed, with no size limits, no catch limits, 24/7/365 to take every living thing they can find.....Sound like a good plan for the ecology of that kelp bed? Of course not. But what if they are cute and fury? Oh! OK in that case, by all means, let's get the funding together to make that happen.
 
Paige, post #121 is a perfect example of my claim that these paid "experts" are distorting the truth...for monetary gains. In other words they are simply lying for money. I am not lying, and I have no monetary motives for lying. Those people that wrote that article can not claim the same.
 
I’m not going to try to convince you otherwise because it’s clear that you’re deeply embedded in this but I’m curious: Does your “follow the money” Big Otter conspiracy stop with the rape weasels or do you have more secret ecological insights that counter the entire scientific community?
 
I will address this question adumcu280. Long ago I learned that (for the most part) marine biologists were very keen to grant money. Often times the funding entitie's interests took a leading role in the way that "scientific" studies were conducted. This was to insure further funding. Now, I am not going to get too deep into this, but I think many skeptical Americans have an eroded confidence in the scientific community. Starting with Climate Change shenanigans (and the funding) and more recently with the Covid-19 "scientist" (and the funding). I firmly believe that many scientists have been influenced by the sheer amount of money that is to be made for "findings" that align with positive outcomes from their funders. I also believe that many scientists have been stifled for simply telling the truth. I also am saddened that our scientific community has to live with an eroded trust. Follow the science? Not so easy anymore.
 
So money aside, I'm trying to decide why kelp beds, urchins, etc. have more of a "right" to exist than sea otters. Perhaps their main reason for being is to feed the sea otters. Every living thing fills a niche.

If it fucks up fishing then that is a financial problem and not an ecological problem. They should probably switch to a job in IT or AI. It's the new bonanza!

If those otters eat all their food then they will starve and their population will decline until balance is reached. So it has been and so it should be. History didn't begin when the indigenous peoples showed up and decided they needed to control otter populations so they could eat what the otters were eating. Every living thing fills a niche, and ours is to step in and fuck shit up and procreate until we are literally stacked one on top of another (atop our piles of plastic trash) like cord wood.

I just have one burning question. Can I profit from big otter by working remotely before the how to tik tok videos come out?
 
WW your words hold weight. Mother Earth would be much better off without modern Humans IMHO. However we are here and it is what it is. Some might suggest it to be a good idea to reintroduce Sea Otters to Pass Lake. Yeah! Nature!...two weeks later that lake would have no fish, does that make sense? Would that be a good plan? Do those Sea Otters have a "right" to live at that lake, perhaps....but they would destroy the ecosystem....Is that what we want? Of course not.
 
Profiting from Big Otter is a very simple endeavor. Get a college degree, preferably from Scripps, sell your soul to the devil, lie your ass off and collect the huge grants that they will heap upon you, and deposit them into your personal bank account. This has been the way for decades.
 
I wonder if Jims personal vendeta that has zero scientific credibility has to do with a personal encouter maybe?

Jim, did an Otter touch you in a inappropriate way, do you feel violated?


Because you have zero argument, you discredit scientific studies, discredit professionals that work in the industry, but yet have only your opinion.
 
I don't ever recall sea otters being in Pass Lake...
But if there is a 'reintroduction' of them, I hope they have their Covid vax...
I'd hate to catch Covid from an otter while fishing... I think they are just trying to replace humans with otters...Big Otter will stop at nothing, soon they will vote themselves into office.
Otters will not replaces us !!!
 
Otter said:
Most people I've talked to, or overheard, think that the river otters they see in the water, on floats, boats, or beaches along our coast are "sea otters", just because they're in the sea.
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Likely the same people that refer to Puget Sound as the ocean and the Puget Sound area as the coast.
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I get the hostility, I understand the hostility, and I appreciate the Memes. I've been "Preaching" the truth about Sea Otters for decades. Perhaps some readers of this thread can see that I am simply trying to educate them regarding the dangers of reintroducing Sea Otters on the West Coast of North America. Others may ridicule me, and despise me, for daring to point out the facts involving these cute fury creatures. I say to those "others".. Ignorance is bliss. Reintroduce these destructive creatures into balanced ecosystems. Feel good about yourselves while you eat your cheese and drink your wine. But I encourage you to never ever question yourselves , or the sources of your truths....that could be very unpleasant for you.
 
Jim in Anacortes said:
I will address this question adumcu280. Long ago I learned that (for the most part) marine biologists were very keen to grant money. Often times the funding entitie's interests took a leading role in the way that "scientific" studies were conducted. This was to insure further funding. Now, I am not going to get too deep into this, but I think many skeptical Americans have an eroded confidence in the scientific community. Starting with Climate Change shenanigans (and the funding) and more recently with the Covid-19 "scientist" (and the funding). I firmly believe that many scientists have been influenced by the sheer amount of money that is to be made for "findings" that align with positive outcomes from their funders. I also believe that many scientists have been stifled for simply telling the truth. I also am saddened that our scientific community has to live with an eroded trust. Follow the science? Not so easy anymore.
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Climate Change shenanigans (and the funding) - are you serious? You realize how many billions have been poured into Climate Change denial! You now have contradicted your entire unscientific rant. Please, quit saying your conspiracy nonsense is the truth when it is probably politically motivated "repeat it enough times and dumb asses will believe it" spew.
 
Evidently otters are the new gateway drug for conspiracies.
Question:
If the earth is really flat, couldn't we just push the otters off the edge ?
Questioning my truths here...
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I stand by my words. From the very beginning of Al Gore's disproven predictions,, I have been observing the shenanigans involved with the "funding" that is involved with Climate Change. Trillions of dollars of our wealth spent...not one single bit of change to our climate. This all ties into the Sea Otter discussions... millions of dollars spent to reintroduce a destructive animal that will destroy our kelp beds, with absolutely no (credible) upside for this effort. But hey they are cute and fury. Good grief.
 
Mossback said:
Evidently otters are the new gateway drug for conspiracies.
Question:
If the earth is really flat, couldn't we just push the otters off the edge ?
Questioning my truths here...
😁
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Gateway drug for sure!
And I'm also sure that there's a wall around the edge of the earth, so water doesn't spill off into space. And I'm sure that Jim's sea otters would fight tooth and nail to stay on this side of the wall. You see, they haven't yet completed their mission to eat every living thing on earth. (Note: I did my own research, and now I know that everything I just wrote is the truth.)
 
Jim in Anacortes said:
I stand by my words. From the very beginning of Al Gore's disproven predictions,, I have been observing the shenanigans involved with the "funding" that is involved with Climate Change. Trillions of dollars of our wealth spent...not one single bit of change to our climate. This all ties into the Sea Otter discussions... millions of dollars spent to reintroduce a destructive animal that will destroy our kelp beds, with absolutely no (credible) upside for this effort. But hey they are cute and fury. Good grief.
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Jim, you do realize that kelp itself is a critical component of otter habitat right? When they're not raping babies of whatever species they can get their paws on, they wrap their murderous destructive bodies up in the kelp and take adorable murderous naps. So the theory that they destroy kelp beds is hard to reconcile with a napping otter, adorably tuckered out from parking lot manufacture.

I think maybe the difference is most people here dont care all that much about the plight of abalone divers. Certainly not to the extent you do. Just like I dont care about deer hunters wanting to halt wolf reintroduction because they'll have less deer to shoot.

Our forefathers created this problem. Its an unnatural balance caused by removing predators and artificially propping up harvestable, profitable prey species. We feed elk herds overgrazing their habitat. We destroy the kelp beds, overharvest the stocks and destroy the ecosystem. Nothing actually wipes a landscape clean except mechanized humans. It's not worth the caloric expenditure to take every last thing vs moving to more bountiful hunting grounds. It's one of the laws of nature that's true of every animal except humans, who deal in profitability with access to dinosaur calories. Even animals who rape dead bodies (behaviour also exhibited by birds, dolphins and primates, particularly human ones).
 
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