SFR AI imagining...it's fun!

Sorta fishing-related
Maybe use AI to help identify AI generated images. AI can’t lie, right? The Pluribus effect…
AI determines through human “concieved “ algorythms what humans are providing as input.when a query is produced it is a thing of great aggravation to me. It is invasive. Algorithms protect themselves. Try an experiment Like I have. It is the playing chess with a computer thing but a lot more all encompassing.That is if you enjoy that sort of thing?
 
Yeah, I'm another one who was briefly amused by AI image generation, but the magic quickly wore off. I get it as a novelty, and it may have some legitimate uses... but overall, I am just so turned off by AI images being used more and more in place of real art and photography.
 
Recent studies suggest that roughly 71% of images shared on social media are already AI-generated, and as many as 74% of newly created webpages contain some form of AI-generated content. Given that the majority of web traffic is now bots, pretty soon humans will be an afterthought on the web, good only for consuming bot generated content and buying stuff from Temu.

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Recent studies suggest that roughly 71% of images shared on social media are already AI-generated, and as many as 74% of newly created webpages contain some form of AI-generated content. Given that the majority of web traffic is now bots, pretty soon humans will be an afterthought on the web, good only for consuming bot generated content and buying stuff from Temu.

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Cory Doctorow calls it the enshittification of the internet.
 
Recent studies suggest that roughly 71% of images shared on social media are already AI-generated, and as many as 74% of newly created webpages contain some form of AI-generated content. Given that the majority of web traffic is now bots, pretty soon humans will be an afterthought on the web, good only for consuming bot generated content and buying stuff from Temu.

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And what are your thoughts on this?
 
@Jim in Anacortes I wish we could all be as worried about the water and energy consumption of AI as you are about Sea Otters and kelp forests. Maybe just go fishing and take pictures of real fish?
Butterfly wings in Japan and the ripple effect…a little tome used to explain how events and ideas eventually effect us all.
Again just to be boring here- just because we can does not always mean we should.I grew
up in the 50’s breathing sulfur snow from the paper mill and eating morning toast from our toaster lined with asbestos. But then “we didn’t know”, which is the excuse that echoes through the ages.
 
And what are your thoughts on this?
Well in general my gut reaction to AI has been that's its probably not going to be good long term, development is being funded by people of whom I am suspect, and view as potential bad actors, and that it is being implemented without necessary guardrails or oversight, coming of age(so to speak) in a regulatory environment rife with both outright corruption and self dealing by tech companies wielding far to much power in society. I am also suspect of those who, with the most to gain and with whom I do not share core values, are the loudest and most vociferous proponents of widespread, immediate AI deployment without regulations, as a 'lassez faire' approach here is not appropriate in my view.

On the flip side, implementation of AI tools can be a very useful addition to research in many fields, especially medicine (cancer research for instance) and has huge potential to prove useful
to humanity by contributing to the solving of a myriad of problems plaguing the world ( energy, hunger, disease etc.) but question whether the all important profit motive will prevent deployment of large scale AI resources to address those sorts of more altruistic type 'betterment of the planet and humanity as a whole' issues, and instead be used to manipulate populations, and create better lol cat videos.
I'm trying to learn more about the nuts and bolts of AI by taking some online classes, in the hopes of understanding things better, how it's trained, and so forth.

How'd I do ?
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Well in general my gut reaction to AI has been that's its probably not going to be good long term, development is being funded by people of whom I am suspect, and view as potential bad actors, and that it is being implemented without necessary guardrails or oversight, coming of age(so to speak) in a regulatory environment rife with both outright corruption and self dealing by tech companies wielding far to much power in society. I am also suspect of those who, with the most to gain and with whom I do not share core values, are the loudest and most vociferous proponents of widespread, immediate AI deployment without regulations, as a 'lassez faire' approach here is not appropriate in my view.

On the flip side, implementation of AI tools can be a very useful addition to research in many fields, especially medicine (cancer research for instance) and has huge potential to prove useful
to humanity by contributing to the solving of a myriad of problems plaguing the world ( energy, hunger, disease etc.) but question whether the all important profit motive will prevent deployment of large scale AI resources to address those sorts of more altruistic type 'betterment of the planet and humanity as a whole' issues, and instead be used to manipulate populations, and create better lol cat videos.
I'm trying to learn more about the nuts and bolts of AI by taking some online classes, in the hopes of understanding things better, how it's trained, and so forth.

How'd I do ?
😁
Holy shit, an honest, not sarcastic, nor troll-y answer.
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No further questions your honor.
 
Original Art is less desirable apparently, i figure the potential for occasional sal s for my work involves a lot of variables but it does come down to potential clients and that is a very low aggregate percentage that has disappeared recently. A sales pitch and a tailored or natural personality pitch is part of the game I abhor the most. AI diminishes the interest. I have sold hundreds of works of art since my first at the age of 16 but different times. Not focussing on sales ever has kept me at least partially sane. Though my moniker tells another story especially considering my moniker and those 12000 posts on the old Westfly that I assume are still out floating about the internet ether?
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Well in general my gut reaction to AI has been that's its probably not going to be good long term, development is being funded by people of whom I am suspect, and view as potential bad actors, and that it is being implemented without necessary guardrails or oversight, coming of age(so to speak) in a regulatory environment rife with both outright corruption and self dealing by tech companies wielding far to much power in society. I am also suspect of those who, with the most to gain and with whom I do not share core values, are the loudest and most vociferous proponents of widespread, immediate AI deployment without regulations, as a 'lassez faire' approach here is not appropriate in my view.

On the flip side, implementation of AI tools can be a very useful addition to research in many fields, especially medicine (cancer research for instance) and has huge potential to prove useful
to humanity by contributing to the solving of a myriad of problems plaguing the world ( energy, hunger, disease etc.) but question whether the all important profit motive will prevent deployment of large scale AI resources to address those sorts of more altruistic type 'betterment of the planet and humanity as a whole' issues, and instead be used to manipulate populations, and create better lol cat videos.
I'm trying to learn more about the nuts and bolts of AI by taking some online classes, in the hopes of understanding things better, how it's trained, and so forth.

How'd I do ?
😁

You had AI write that response, didn't you? 😎
 
No real personal skill involved . Nice key selections though. Haptic skills too.
I think Skip's nailed it here.

What's troubling to those of us who have labored to create stuff that is interesting, artistic etc, is probably the ease with which AI can crank out ideas and turn them into something that, unfortunately for me and Skip, can be objectively really smart and thought provoking and sometimes just really good. But it ain't as good as this:

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I like it because first of all I know Skip did it and I like to think of his brain getting weird and thinking through how he's going to make this. I gotta think there is some kind of layering, but to me that's just Skip Magic. I like it because when I try and do an underwater fist-sized boulder with watercolors that suggest progressive changes in depth alls i will get is something smudging towards black or brown. Plus the paper wrinkles into its papery version of cellulite. So there is some technical excellence that is, frankly, stunning and that probably took years to get remotely close to what he has up here. I like it because at some point the water layering vanishes and makes me think the fish on the top right is going up into the sky. You and I know those are fish on a breeding run, maybe there's a second meaning to them, maybe they are oozing death and blood. And maybe at the time Skip painted this there was stuff going on that was beautiful and horrible that inspired him to do this one that he channeled into an idea that combines death, sex, water, stone and blood, maybe sky too. There are small imperfections here and there that make wonder if they were or were not intentional, so it has a human element, then again, like every single watercolor ever, it has bled, so there is pain and fallibility in it, this ain't Vermeer precise..... and Some of those imperfections might be in Skip's mind the way the water layered and reflected color but in my mind might be a ghost of a tree or a logjam or a stump either in the water or reflecting an overhanging branch above. I like the idea he framed his piece cutting right through the heart of one of his fish, was it intentional? I like that there is no answer to that question and I am not even sure I want to know what the answer is from Skip, in case it's super mundane. Then again I like thinking that Skip had an answer for that question when he painted it, but now the answer is different, or that the reason for the framing is perhaps now different to how Skip views the effect of the framing. I like that his version of this piece and what it means to him may have changed over time. I like that Skip put this up like laying out the best card hand you could ever have as if to say "this, you ingrates, is M-fucking art" because I am in 100% agreement with him and that his ballsy hand cleans house and wins the internet..... I like thinking about Skip having done this painting and his crazy beard and the things he had to quit and his giant garden and masses of vegetables and maybe him painting this with just some crazy eclectic music in the background in perhaps some greenhouse that also is humid and smells of amazingly rich potting soil and like wet clay pots or old vinyl or some well worn boots or something.

So yeah, AI might give someone who has never had an artistic tendency a taste of how fun that can be, which is frankly really cool. But, when I look at Jim's fish pics from page one, alls I am thinking is, "this looks like AI generated content of what a fish would look under a boat in gin clear water with a fisherman above."

And then I look again and think... fuck AI is so lazy, the same stupid log keeps coming up in the same dumb angle with goddamn milfoil all around it like we somehow want milfoil in art:

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There's no pain, there's no suffering (ok maybe the insult of milfoil and the same log IS paining me), there's no second or third or fourth meaning. there's no context, motive, there's no humor, there's no sense of what kind of smell was in the studio where it was created. Alternatively maybe it smells like a server farm. Or a crypto wallet. So part of me feels kinda ripped off, it's like the diet coke of art. Appealing to some.

One of the things I've become more interested in, in terms of art, isn't writing fiction anymore, it's sculpture. So far AI can't do much there....I think I'm safe for now
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Here's some claybabies/concretions worked into a 4-foot long version of a fossil fish...Hopefully one of you all thinks kinda like I did about Skip's art, something that gives some second story, maybe something along the lines of "Man, I hope Boot found some studs in his wall to hang what looks like 50 lbs worth of rock cos if that fucker falls on someone, someone's getting hurt...." That, to me, would be a win....
 
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OK... my thread .. let's all step back and take a deep breath. Let's all acknowledge that this is a "hot topic". Long ago, I, personally, made money from artistically rendering images of products for commercial purposes. I would not want to be in that business now that AI is here.
That being said, this stuff is plain and simple fun fun fun! Come on folks, try it, imagine an image, any image and post it here.
Of course some people are understandably afraid ...but some of us just say "hold my beer".
 
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I posted five different images in this thread . Perhaps those images were just "AI slop"... but so far I have yet to see any other AI images . To be clear folks, I am challenging you all..to do better than me at AI imagining regarding your personal fishing endeavors. All in good fun.
 
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