NFR AI - How It Will Affect Jobs In The Next 5 years

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RCF said:
AI can not replace human:

apnews.com

The skills people still perform better than AI, according to workplace experts

Many workers fear machines will supplant them as adoption of artificial intelligence accelerates. But some workplace experts say people have qualities that are so unmistakably human and important, AI can't easily replace them yet.
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Where the 'soft skills' listed in the article are highly admirable, they are rarely part of a job listing description.

My son is working with a placement specialist in the tech industry who states there has been significant pull back in tech recruiting at the mid to upper management levels and lower level recruiting is essentially zero, as mid level employees facing cutbacks at their tech companies are scrambling to take any job they can to remain employed, even if it means a significant reduction in level and pay.
And meanwhile Musk is now officially a trillionaire, and the world stands at attention to do his bidding.
 
Salmo_g said:
That's a current reason why college should be looked at as more than a "jobs training program." The most important thing I learned in college didn't come from any specific class. It was more of a process that taught me to "learn how to learn." A college degree wasn't an end point, but rather the beginning of the process of planning what to do with my life. Question authority. Don't trust anyone over 30. Up the revolution! I learned that what I learned in college was only the beginning, not an apprenticeship in a jobs program.
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I understand and mostly agree with your point. Education is an investment in yourself.

There is a huge difference in the cost of a degree today vs. when you graduated. The cost has risen at a rate that far exceeds inflation. The cost today requires that any person who is financing their degree themselves get a job soon after that makes enough to pay for that degree.
 
charles sullivan said:
I understand and mostly agree with your point. Education is an investment in yourself.

There is a huge difference in the cost of a degree today vs. when you graduated. The cost has risen at a rate that far exceeds inflation. The cost today requires that any person who is financing their degree themselves get a job soon after that makes enough to pay for that degree.
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IMO the more you invest in yourself the more you should truly invest in yourself and own your labor, own the business. Today that investment is not only costly but is also a trap. Employers often don't hire the recent grad who could not get a job with his BS and goes back to school for his masters only to be still an entry level employee with an advanced degree with expectation of a higher entry level pay, Some employers don't play that and just not hire. NEET is a serious trap and more school sounds like a great path but IMO does not address the root cause of that person's NEET. Tech and AI will only make this whole issue worse. AI is replacing the lower 2/3rds of the bell curve while the upper 1/3rd will flourish. I see a growing gap between rich and poor that can only be solved by politics...robot taxes and UBI.

My kid is a young engineer going down the business management route. When I asked about an MBA or MS in regulatory affairs and quality assurance, she said, "I already have the job. I would only do more school if I needed it to do the job better, or if promised another job that needed an advanced degree." In other words don't waste your time.
 
SurfnFish said:
And meanwhile Musk is now officially a trillionaire, and the world stands at attention to do his bidding.
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More power to him. I'm not a Musk follower, fanboy, or truly devoted. I'm a Cali boomer who drives a big diesel truck as a daily driver, fishes everywhere, skis, races cars and eats meat. I personally shun the electrification movement. That said...

Musk made electric cars cool and ubiquitous with Tesla. The Tesla Plaid has performance of a Ferrari 296 and zero EV! He made residential solar electrification, transforming home energy storage from an expensive and complex hobby to consumer appliance in the tesla powerwall. With Starlink he has hooked up 12 million subscribers to the internet who did not have reliable access.

People can use their money for good and evil. Musk is making the world a better place. I'm looking forward to see what he comes up with next.
 
RCF said:
AI can not replace human:

apnews.com

The skills people still perform better than AI, according to workplace experts

Many workers fear machines will supplant them as adoption of artificial intelligence accelerates. But some workplace experts say people have qualities that are so unmistakably human and important, AI can't easily replace them yet.
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Well sometimes humans can't replace humans. The article you quote makes sense but is all about the "soft sciences". It seems like the professionals controlling that emotional stiff can't even get a handle on it. https://www.science.org/content/article/across-social-sciences-half-research-doesn-t-replicate
 
fatbillybob said:
More power to him. I'm not a Musk follower, fanboy, or truly devoted. I'm a Cali boomer who drives a big diesel truck as a daily driver, fishes everywhere, skis, races cars and eats meat. I personally shun the electrification movement. That said...

Musk made electric cars cool and ubiquitous with Tesla. The Tesla Plaid has performance of a Ferrari 296 and zero EV! He made residential solar electrification, transforming home energy storage from an expensive and complex hobby to consumer appliance in the tesla powerwall. With Starlink he has hooked up 12 million subscribers to the internet who did not have reliable access.

People can use their money for good and evil. Musk is making the world a better place. I'm looking forward to see what he comes up with next.
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Ebola!
 
Mossback said:
Robotics is coming, it's getting a real foothold in agriculture already.
Spraying, planting, fertilizing, weeding...
There's not much they won't be able to do eventually.
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We already have robotic welders and assemblers in the automotive and other manufacturing sectors.
The 1st robotic farms are slowly coming online.

But all of it still requires a human in the loop and probably always will. Humanity will still need a sense of purpose and belonging. Where do the 2 dovetail?
 
wanderingrichard said:
We already have robotic welders and assemblers in the automotive and other manufacturing sectors.
The 1st robotic farms are slowly coming online.

But all of it still requires a human in the loop and probably always will. Humanity will still need a sense of purpose and belonging. Where do the 2 dovetail?
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Maintaining robots and large scale 3D printers will require a whole new field of technicians.

Intersecting with the emergence of AI, robotics and 3D production printing, however, is a projected shrinking of the US population in the decades to come.
In the past decade there has been a noticeable reduction in numbers of K-12 students, especially among the lower grades, as the US birth rate is now averaging 1.6 children per woman compared to the 2.1 kids required to maintain population levels. Combined with the dramatic slow down in immigration and surge in deportation of immigrants who tend to have more children, the US population levels will begin to contract on an accelerating basis.
This could well be a positive for the job market with less competition for skilled jobs.
The negative, however, is reduced payroll tax revenue to pay for social basics such as Social Security and MediCare. As it is SS is now projected to become insolvent in 2032, just 6 years from now, which would trigger an automatic reduction of 22% in SS payments, which will seriously damage the financial security of many among the 55 million on SS.
Instead of making this immense problem an absolute top priority, however, this administration and Congress have so far spent 50B on a senseless war in just four months, our COL is climbing skyward along with health costs, and yet there has not been a single formal formal discussion in Congress on how to save SS.
 
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fatbillybob said:
Well sometimes humans can't replace humans. The article you quote makes sense but is all about the "soft sciences". It seems like the professionals controlling that emotional stiff can't even get a handle on it. https://www.science.org/content/article/across-social-sciences-half-research-doesn-t-replicate
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I posted this to add a positive hope that AI will not replace every job. Just so much doom and gloom about AI right now.

Both of my daughters work in hard science jobs. I am concerned about their future employment. Not everything is black and white. Soft sciences may help fill that gap.

Not touching the Musk comment iin one of your posts. Just too political and controversial for this site.
 
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SurfnFish said:
Maintaining robots and large scale 3D printers will require a whole new field of technicians.

Intersecting with the emergence of AI, robotics and 3D production printing, however, is a projected shrinking of the US population in the decades to come.
In the past decade there has been a noticeable reduction in numbers of K-12 students, especially among the lower grades, as the US is now averaging 1.6 children per woman compared to the 2.1 kids required to maintain population levels. Combined with the dramatic slow down in immigration and deportation of immigrants, with Mexican women as an example averaging 2.7 children, the US population levels will begin to contract on an accelerating basis.
This could well be a positive for the job market with less competition for skilled jobs.
The negative, however, is reduced tax base revenue to pay for social basics such as Social Security and MediCare. As it is SS is now projected to become insolvent in 2032, just 6 years from now, which would trigger an automatic reduction of 22% in SS payments, which will seriously damage the financial security of many among the 55 million on SS.
So instead of making this the absolute top priority of this administration and Congress, we have
so far spent 50B on a senseless war, our COL I climbing skyward and health costs are rising right along with it.
Pure genius at work.
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We aren't Japan. The American solution is already different as we wage internal battles over immigration. While I bet on American exceptionalism, the question will be whether America can maintain a stable, unified national identity without a shared, singular cultural (melting pot) and linguistic baseline.
 
RCF said:
My wife and I paid for our 2 daughters education. One at the UW and one at WWU. Our costs for 4 years was equivalent one quarter at U of PS. Thank goodness for Washington's GET program.
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I have 2 kids in college. UPS costs are similar to what theirs are at Colorado st. and Oregon st. with WUE. They pay 1.5x what UW costs for in-state tuition. OSU has been more expensive than CSU.
Of the schools they aplied to the least expensive school for my oldest would have been the University of Portland. They offered her a bunch of money. For my youngest it was EWU. That is just a less expensive school. Both chose to go elsewhere for social/ environmental reasons.
My oldest is a senior majoring in computer science major and a Dean's list student. She is trying to figure out how to pivot given AI's effect on the job market in her field. The kid is keenly aware of how AI is changing the job market and how quickly it is doing it.
 
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