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So you think there will be a mass knifing from a hotel window?
I can pick up a stick off the ground and hurt somebody. It just won't be as efficient as an AR-15 with a thirty round mag. However, as soon as they raise the bag limit on elk from 1 to 30 I'll be getting one.
OH, my aching back!
 
It's really hard to massacre people with a knife. That's the point that people care about, not stopping violence altogether.

I agree that these proposals make no sense. It's the sort of aforementioned impractical moonshot that shuts down any real improvement.

I'm pro gun, anti massacre. I think most sensible people have the same position. If I could have my wish, it would be this...
  • Access to bolt action rifles remains as it is.
  • Access to all other firearms have requirements that are proportional to their risk. For example, "assault rifles" are only available to people that have undergone rigorous education and evaluation.
I would have to add that all bolt actions must be available left handed before I would be all in. My lever actions only hold 5 rounds, although they cycle pretty fast.
 
It's pretty easy to massacre people with a car. That Idaho college killer, if he used a gun instead of a knife it would of been classified as a "mass shooting." Our own government does a pretty good job with fire, and whenever I try to start my own militia these dudes keep crashing the party....
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Final summary . . . The US has more crazy people than any other country but legislation to control them from obtaining guns will not work. Got it.
 
I would have to add that all bolt actions must be available left handed before I would be all in. My lever actions only hold 5 rounds, although they cycle pretty fast.

In my ideal world, single shot, lever and bolt action guns would be in the same risk category (basically zero risk). Revolvers and pump action shotguns would probably be the next category (low risk), followed by semi-auto (medium risk) and auto (high risk) guns. The latter two could probably be further broken down, by caliber.

Regardless of the exact taxonomy, my argument is that this is a nuanced issue that requires a nuanced solution. Like most political matters in this country though, you usually only get the choice between "100% on" and "100% off".
 
I can get behind stricter punishment for storage. Your gun gets stolen out of your home or car, or your kid gets it and commits a crime, you have to pay a harsher penalty. Lockbox and gun safes need to be part of the armory. Lots of options now even bolt in car safes.

Allow ccp in more places, or constitutional carry in all 50 states. If the guns on you and not in the car it's less likely to get stolen, and your more likely to be able to protect yourself or stop a crime.

Get rid of pro crime anti gun DAs. If I saw a granny getting mugged in downtown Portland I would probably just keep walking. It's sad but true, I'm not going to jail for brandishing a gun while the criminal gets off scott free.

It was mentioned about Wayne LaPierre and lobbying... It goes both ways. George Soros' Open Society Foundation has sent representatives to the white house over a dozen times. This is where these radical DAs are getting funding and policy direction from. Laws have to be enforced.

I can also get behind classes, and hunters Ed programs but they have to be able to be taught by private sector, and government if they can manage it not just government entities or the citizens will get stonewalled.

After that we already have laws for everything else regarding guns.
 
Ahh, the"pro crime DA's", I run into them at the bar hanging with the "pro cancer" doctors, the country is lousy with them.
Mock all you want... but what else do you call these DAs that have had their campaigns funded by Soros' foundation then don't prosecute crime in major cities.
 
If I saw a granny getting mugged in downtown Portland I would probably just keep walking. It's sad but true, I'm not going to jail for brandishing a gun while the criminal gets off scott free.
That's part of the issue right there, criminals aren't with dealt harsh enough when they end up going to court. They'll merely let out to commit more crime without any fears of prosecution..
 
Mock all you want... but what else do you call these DAs that have had their campaigns funded by Soros' foundation then don't prosecute crime in major cities.

The same that I would call DAs or Attorneys General funded by the Koch brothers, who want to prosecute women seeking healthcare.

No one is "pro crime", that's just a Heritage Foundation talking point directed to people too lazy to think for themselves and look at the real issues and how to potentially solve them with extremely limited resources.
 
The same that I would call DAs or Attorneys General funded by the Koch brothers, who want to prosecute women seeking healthcare.

No one is "pro crime", that's just a Heritage Foundation talking point directed to people too lazy to think for themselves and look at the real issues and how to potentially solve them with extremely limited resources.
I would consider this answer borderline not up to community standards. I thought we were supposed to be having a thought out debate without name calling and insults?
 
I would consider this answer borderline not up to community standards. I thought we were supposed to be having a thought out debate without name calling and insults?
I didn't call you any name, I stated "pro crime" is a talking point and who it is directed at, if you felt I was talking about you, well, my apologies, but I don't apologize for the sentiment, ie, it is a simplistic talking point meant to demean and belittle people trying to do a very difficult and thankless job with incredibly limited resources.
 
I didn't call you any name, I stated "pro crime" is a talking point and who it is directed at, if you felt I was talking about you, well, my apologies, but I don't apologize for the sentiment, ie, it is a simplistic talking point meant to demean and belittle people trying to do a very difficult and thankless job with incredibly limited resources.
You implied people with those views (me) are too lazy to think for themselves. Whatever, justify it away.
 
best response to a thread this year so far...spit out my post lap swim smoothie when I read this..lol

Sorry 'bout that, but glad you took it with the humor it was meant.

Cheers
 
I can get behind stricter punishment for storage. Your gun gets stolen out of your home or car, or your kid gets it and commits a crime, you have to pay a harsher penalty. Lockbox and gun safes need to be part of the armory. Lots of options now even bolt in car safes.

Allow ccp in more places, or constitutional carry in all 50 states. If the guns on you and not in the car it's less likely to get stolen, and your more likely to be able to protect yourself or stop a crime.

Get rid of pro crime anti gun DAs. If I saw a granny getting mugged in downtown Portland I would probably just keep walking. It's sad but true, I'm not going to jail for brandishing a gun while the criminal gets off scott free.

It was mentioned about Wayne LaPierre and lobbying... It goes both ways. George Soros' Open Society Foundation has sent representatives to the white house over a dozen times. This is where these radical DAs are getting funding and policy direction from. Laws have to be enforced.

I can also get behind classes, and hunters Ed programs but they have to be able to be taught by private sector, and government if they can manage it not just government entities or the citizens will get stonewalled.

After that we already have laws for everything else regarding guns.
The Violence Policy Center found at least 921 people have been killed by concealed-carry permit holders since 2007 during incidents ranging from mass shootings to suicides. 13 of the 2.7 million CCPs have intervened to stop the crazies from killing people. I could see your point if the 921-13 ratio were reversed.

To say anyone is pro (this type of) crime is nonsense. Anti-gun, maybe. It's also sad but true that we allow people to threaten to kill school board members and other officials with guns and they get off scot free.
As you say in another post, it goes both ways.
 
Jeez Y’all, I never insinuated using knives for multiple persons being attacked.
 
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