Love the ideas. Thank you!
Crazy Idea or Good Idea?
- Thread starter Jake Watrous
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Hi Jake, I may have misunderstood, but if the heavy is between the...we'll call it the main line and the lighter section and then fly, the line is going to do this sort of thing.
If so, I don't think that would be good. If you're swinging you want as straight as you can get. This is why so many have gone to the 3D lines. You still want to be above the fish, but the line snaking on the rocks would not be good. It seems like you're going to decrease your fishing zone.
Now, if you mean for nymph/bead rigs then I sort of see it? But that doesn't sound like fun.
Again, I might be missing it here.
What's the ultimate goal?
If so, I don't think that would be good. If you're swinging you want as straight as you can get. This is why so many have gone to the 3D lines. You still want to be above the fish, but the line snaking on the rocks would not be good. It seems like you're going to decrease your fishing zone.
Now, if you mean for nymph/bead rigs then I sort of see it? But that doesn't sound like fun.
Again, I might be missing it here.
What's the ultimate goal?
The idea, and I tested it out in a small scale with a trout Spey setup yesterday and today, is that the current pushes/grabs the lighter line and hauls it down and you can control the fly depth with rod angle (which controls the amount of heavy line in the water. It actually works quite well—especially in stretches where depth is inconsistent. It's somewhat akin to tight-line nymphing but the fly is weightless and so doesn’t hang up nearly as much as that.Hi Jake, I may have misunderstood, but if the heavy is between the...we'll call it the main line and the lighter section and then fly, the line is going to do this sort of thing.
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If so, I don't think that would be good. If you're swinging you want as straight as you can get. This is why so many have gone to the 3D lines. You still want to be above the fish, but the line snaking on the rocks would not be good. It seems like you're going to decrease your fishing zone.
Now, if you mean for nymph/bead rigs then I sort of see it? But that doesn't sound like fun.
Again, I might be missing it here.
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So are we talking shorter casts then? The depth of the fly will not be under much control from rod angle alone on longer casts. And in good steelhead water, the terminal end, whether tip, leader and/or fly is just as apt to be pushed up by the current as pushed down.
I could see in very particular, smaller water this might be good, but I also am not a big fan of slack in the line. While it's not true slack per se, a belly in the line is still a form of slack. I had one of the old SA Wet Belly lines. 20' sinking tip of type III or IV that was a great steelhead line, but there were definitely times when I was scratching rocks, but could see my fly. I really don't like hanging the line up before the fly. Much easier to tell my depth if the fly is ticking rocks versus the line.
And I also think this is where different hook/fly weights come in. I know you're trying to avoid gear/fly changes though.
The good news is there are so many loop to loop products out there now that you could do this pretty easily and try it out.
Thank you. I’ll look into that.
Oh, I wasn't trying to dissuade you from what you are trying to do. It sounds like what they are doing on steroids! Just saying I think you are going down a path that has possibilities.
Dude, no worries. I truly appreciated it. All knowledge is power, and one good idea somewhere may lead to another idea somewhere else.
Paige
Wishing I was fishing the Sauk
Jake, if you are trying to accomplish this
From this
A 3D or 4D will do this, you don't have to put a heavier tip on that the last section.
Creating a more level line at depth can be controlled in any number of ways.
The possibilities are endless!
F I Type 3 or?
I S3 Type 3 or?
I S3 S6 Type 3 or?
S3 S6 S8 Type 6 or?
The current will hold everything level to a point.
From this
A 3D or 4D will do this, you don't have to put a heavier tip on that the last section.
Creating a more level line at depth can be controlled in any number of ways.
The possibilities are endless!
F I Type 3 or?
I S3 Type 3 or?
I S3 S6 Type 3 or?
S3 S6 S8 Type 6 or?
The current will hold everything level to a point.
I like those a lot. The idea with this is that it would get the fly down faster, especially in heavier flows.
But, yeah, I might be reinventing the wheel a bit. Oh well, I don't have social media and most nights don't watch tv--gotta do something with my time.
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