NFR Acupuncture

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Robert Engleheart

Life of the Party
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Anyone here done it? I’m a skeptic by nature and have been blessed with good genetics and 25 years of working in construction in my youth conditioned my body to a degree that I kept up until Covid. Just turned 70 2 weeks ago, 6’ and 170#’s, actually lost a few pounds in retirement as muscle migrated to fat. Never broken a bone or had a musculoskeletal issue until about 12 years ago when I hyperextended my right leg while wading with about 10#s in a backpack. Felt a dull pain that night, very low level that I ignored, two days later I couldn’t walk without excruciating pain that moved from lower back/right hip-through my groin-down front of leg at quadriceps to end at knee. Doctors were skeptical as to sciatica as it wasn’t typical which runs down back of leg to ankle. They checked me for prostrate, bladder and kidney issues , ignored my protestations and shot me up with Torodal, which is very nice for pain but not a cure. After 2 weeks with no improvement I went to a physical therapist who took me into a large exercise room, told me to take off my shirt, walk across the room and back to him. Diagnosed as “atypical sciatica”, said not common but he diagnosed it immediately as compared to Doctors who could‘nt. First session of heat, massage and UV LEDs brought 50% relief, followed up 3X/week for 2 week then 2X/week for another 2 weeks at which time I was 100% good.
Fast forward to 2 weeks ago I was lifting my geriatric 60# dog into backseat of car to go to vet when I felt a familiar twinge in right side lower back. Two days later I couldn’t lift right leg more than 4” off the floor, familiar pain in lower back; I realized this would progress into sciatica as it did before but my trusty PT is long since retired, what to do?

Sister swears by acupuncture and quick call to insurance confirms I have coverage so made an appointment with local acupuncturist. Explain the issue, he takes hold of my left forearm (pain is on right side) and applies strong pressure with all fingers starting above wrist bone, asks “How that?” Better, I said.
Then he applies pressure to my palm, below my thumb in the meatiest part. “How that ?” Better, I answer. He sits me down and puts 5 pins in left arm (remember, pain is in right hip) starting at wrist bone spaced about 1” apart going up towards elbow and two in palm of left hand below first knuckle of thumb. “Still better?” He asks, Yes I answer and he leaves for 20 minutes comes back has me stand, lift right leg to 90 degrees, pain is 90% gone and only when knee is 90 degrees up. He takes out the pins, rips off a 2” strip of waterproof adhesive tape and places 3 ceramic balls, about .22 caliber on the tape, evenly spaced and applies tape to where pins were. Tells me to leave it on a couple days if possible and apply pressure whenever I can to them. I came back every other day for four visits, by the fourth visit pain was totally gone.

I supplemented the treatment with stretching exercises my PT had taught me for 5 minutes in morning, tested by going fishing on the Rogue River and spending about 12 hours in 2 days wading up to my crotch over slippery, rocky bottom with basketball sized and larger boulders.

100% cured, I am a believer. I just turned 70 and while still in reasonably good shape I admit to sitting on my ass the last three years. That will change, as a friend told me, sitting is the new smoking.
Wanted to share this with the forum as I’m sure there are members with musculoskeletal issues; I would unequivocally recommend trying acupuncture for relief.
 

Salmo_g

Legend
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I had a herniated disc in my neck in 2007. Acupuncture was one of the treatments I tried. In my case it brought relief of my pain symptom, but only temporary. I was advised by a friend to try anything and everything by a friend before resorting to surgery, including a witch doctor if I could find one, so I did. Try many things, that is, not the witch doctor, although I never ruled that out. What ended up working best was a type of traction device I called the "neck stretcher." Caused hallucinations, but at least I got the relief I was looking for.
 

Paige

Wishing I was fishing the Sauk
Try a Chriopractor, I had back issues for 20 years with my back going out severa times a yr with a week out of work each time.
DR would only give drugs and PT that never treated the cause.
I now go to a Chriopractor 3 or 4 times a year with very little issues! Not all are the same, but for me was life changing
 

_WW_

Geriatric Skagit Swinger
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Try a Chriopractor, I had back issues for 20 years with my back going out severa times a yr with a week out of work each time.
DR would only give drugs and PT that never treated the cause.
I now go to a Chriopractor 3 or 4 times a year with very little issues! Not all are the same, but for me was life changing
Same here.
 

RCF

Life of the Party
Was in a bad car wreck in my 20's. Not allowed to work for 2 years. Tried everything; doctors, PT, drugs, acupuncture, heat and massage, chiropractors, etc.

Finally time with heat, massage and the right chiropractor got me back to close enough.

Do what works is my only advice. ...
 

Phil K

AKA Philonius
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I have been a practicing acupuncturist for the past 22+ years. I went back to school to get a degree and start a new career in my 40’s after having had great results treating chronic tendonitis; “tennis elbow.” I was ready for a change, and became fascinated after reading a few library books on the subject. That was around the dawn of the internet age, when going to the library to do research was still a thing. It’s been extremely rewarding, though not especially so financially.
Three things I tell prospective patients if someone comes in for a consult and asks if it’s going to work for them: It doesn’t always, but depending on the condition, maybe >70% success rate. It isn’t going to make anything worse, which cannot be said about most other medical interventions. I expect pretty fast results, and never drag treatment out if they’re clearly not responding well after about 4-6 visits. Wait, four things…. cost is moderate. I do a lot of insurance work, and many plans cover acupuncture services.
It’s pretty interesting stuff, and I like the fact that just how it works isn’t fully understood. There are many different styles/strategic approaches to acupuncture, some of them quite straight-ahead and working with a logical biomedical based approach, and others, like Robert’s experience, that just don’t seem to make sense within that framework. I play mix and match, using whatever I think is going to work best in a given situation.
 

Paige

Wishing I was fishing the Sauk
Most back issues are musclure, heat makes those issues worse. Heat increases blood flow, increasing swelling. Ice is the only way, one time an ex put heat cream on my back. It made it so much worse it took 1 hr to get out of bed. Went to the couch where I sneezed.
Took 2 hrs to get off that couch and to my feet. My 8 yr old daughter was about to cal 911 on me, that drove me to see a back specialist and he had a Chriopractor with him, that changed my life, after that I didnt have any issues for like 2+ yrs.
 

Paige

Wishing I was fishing the Sauk
I have been a practicing acupuncturist for the past 22+ years. I went back to school to get a degree and start a new career in my 40’s after having had great results treating chronic tendonitis; “tennis elbow.” I was ready for a change, and became fascinated after reading a few library books on the subject. That was around the dawn of the internet age, when going to the library to do research was still a thing. It’s been extremely rewarding, though not especially so financially.
Three things I tell prospective patients if someone comes in for a consult and asks if it’s going to work for them: It doesn’t always, but depending on the condition, maybe >70% success rate. It isn’t going to make anything worse, which cannot be said about most other medical interventions. I expect pretty fast results, and never drag treatment out if they’re clearly not responding well after about 4-6 visits. Wait, four things…. cost is moderate. I do a lot of insurance work, and many plans cover acupuncture services.
It’s pretty interesting stuff, and I like the fact that just how it works isn’t fully understood. There are many different styles/strategic approaches to acupuncture, some of them quite straight-ahead and working with a logical biomedical based approach, and others, like Robert’s experience, that just don’t seem to make sense within that framework. I play mix and match, using whatever I think is going to work best in a given situation.


It is clear that muscular, tendon and nerve relationships are critical to healthy living. Things like Chriopractors, acupuncture, massage, suction cups, heat stones all have a specific place in ones recovery.


The biggest thing to help my back was to stop putting my wallet in my back pocket!
It moved my hips and everything else had to compensate. My right leg would acutely be 1.5" shorter than the left, just due to my hips and the muscles compensating!

Like everything in nature and pur environment, it is all connected in ways few understand!
 

Bob N

Steelhead
Tried the chiropractor for back issue. Didnt have any change. Went to physiatrist, he wanted an mri. Results, pinched nerve in lumbar. Everything the chiropractor tried made it worse.
 
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SurfnFish

Legend
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Tried the chiropractor for back issue. Didnt have any change. Went to physiatrist, he wanted an mri. Results, pinched nerve in lumbar. Everything the chiropractor tried made it worse.
Physiatrists are an excellent resource, nurse wife used to work with one at a sports med practice, and will be receiving PRP from one at end of month for a lingering deltoid injury.
 

David

Smolt
I’ve had sciatica and herniated disks a few times in my life. Sometimes, like you, in times of sedentary ass-sitting. But sometimes also in times where I did a lot of rock climbing without stretching properly afterwards. Those herniated disks have come in waves. The only good things PT did for me was to plant the idea that I should keep moving and stretching even when the discomfort seemed too great. Once after a month+ of a particularly painful herniation (like, can’t sleep through the pain unless drugged), I saw an acupuncturist. They affixed a bunch of vaccum glass bulbs full of smoke to my lower back, among other things. And would you believe the herniation was gone when I awoke the next morning.

I thought that was amazing, but for me I know the underlying issue is being too tight in all my psoas, glutes, other core lumbar muscles to the point they pull my lumbar spine every which way. The true remedy for me has been to locate a local yoga shop that has a course series by the name of “yoga for the back” “viniyoga” etc and go regularly. Even in times of herniation, daily low-key restorative yoga has been my eventual ticket back out of the red zone. Now, if I could just make such yoga a part of my life during peace time…
 

Tom Butler

Grandpa, Small Stream Fanatic
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I suffer from the sciatica and 3 herniated disks in my neck from a work accident in '99 (packing 3 stacks of steel fence posts on one shoulder and a driver on the other hand through the mountains all summer). Like Salmo my goal has always been to avoid the knife. My cousin had excellent results from acupuncture for his injuries. I got no relief. And I tried the chiropractor, only made it worse.
I still do some of the PT exercises regularly, use the over the door traction devise when needed, and as someone said I NEED to keep moving. I think the best thing the last couple years has been range of movement, stretching, and just using the playground equipment with the grand kids. A few hours fishing a couple times a week does the yoga/Pilates exercises I want. It's a bitch, but since we're all different, there doesn't seem to be a one size fits all fix.
 
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