NFR A government proposal to kill a half-million owls
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Is "pushed" more like standing on the tracks in front of a freight train?
Jan 30, 2024
Bill to ban natural gas lines revived, passes in Washington House
The bill would ban any gas company that serves more than 500,000 customers from connecting new natural gas lines to new buildings.
mynorthwest.com
Would a bill ban natural gas in Washington? Here's what we can Verify
A bill working its way through Olympia is causing some confusion for natural gas customers across the state.
www.krem.com
Milwaukie, Oregon is a municipal that was pushed into not allowing new construction with natural gas by former mayor Mark Gamba-D. As Mayor, Gamba helped to create the city's Climate Action Plan and also created a resolution declaring a climate emergency. Milwaukie was one of the first cities in Oregon to do both.
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Rob Allen
Life of the Party
In a 52-44-2 vote, Washington’s House of Representatives passed House Bill 1589. Among other things, the bill:
- Prohibits Puget Sound Energy (PSE) from providing natural gas service to new customers after June 2023; and
- Removes the requirement that PSE continue serving natural gas to existing customers.
This is designed to ban natural gas.. this is just the only way they could get it to pass.
Was I factually incorrect? I suppose so..
I however was functionally and intentionally correct. The intention is to kill natural gas as a fuel source in the state of Washington. Pure evil.. yes Evil.
Not about the climate but about punishing the industry and it's users.
I just took a quick look at the enacted law (https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/Session Laws/House/1589-S.SL.pdf#page=1). I see nothing that "Prohibits Puget Sound Energy (PSE) from providing natural gas service to new customers after June 2023."
There are restrictions on offering customers incentives to install natural gas appliances, but that is very different from banning them or prohibiting natural gas services to new homes/customers.
Did I miss a provision in the law (it is very possible that I did, I only read it quickly).
House Bill 1589, which failed to clear the legislature last year, is now getting a second look, with a revised version passing the House Monday by a 52-45 vote.
The bill would ban any gas company that serves more than 500,000 customers — specifically, Puget Sound Energy (PSE) — from connecting new natural gas lines to new residential or commercial buildings — with limited exemptions for certain manufacturing, medical care, correctional, and military facilities. PSE would also no longer be required to provide natural gas service to existing customers, which state law currently mandates.
The bill said the ban applies to any new construction after June 30, 2023. If approved, it would take effect immediately, due to an emergency clause included in the measure.
What are you looking at? On March 28, 2024, the bill was signed into law. My link is to the as-enacted law. I don't see your bolded language in the law.
Mar 28Governor signed.
Chapter 351, 2024 Laws. (View Session Law)
Effective date 3/28/2024.
I try not to assume intent. Generally, people freely give their intent.
Your post was factually incorrect. That was my point. There is a huge difference in the impact of banning natural gas appliances and what HB 1589 does. So yes, you were incorrect and it makes a difference. I am not sure how you can even argue that point. I have no idea what point you are making regardiong coal since we use so little in WA state and the law is a WA state law. There is only one coal fired plant in the state and I thought that it was actually closing soon (2025?).
What HB1589 does is continue the existing direction of moving away from natural gas and other carbon fuels in WA. It makes PSE in particular plan for the inevitable reduction and elimination of it. If you see that as evil, I don't care. That's an opinion and you have every right to have it.
I think that it's really important to state things that are true as much as possible (we all make errors). I try to make my opinions based on the facts as best I can. It burns me when people spew incorrect information like the legistlature banning sales of natural gas appliances.
I have been a natural gas customer since I bought my house 20-ish years ago. Like many, I have started to transition away from it. I have a far more efficient electric system heating and cooling 40% of my house. It will be 100% soon. I am in the process of building more another home and that will be electric. It only makes sense. Electric is the way of the present and the future.
For a long time, I would have fought to keep nat. gas for cooking. However, there have been great improvements in induction stoves. I have heard great reviews from people that I trust.
I really made a mistake when I replaced my natural gas heater with a new one in '08 or so. I should have switched to a heat pump system at that time. It would have been advantagous economically as well as being safer and better carbon wise. Bad choice that I made based on bad information that I had recieved at the time. This is why facts matter.
I am not sure that any single group hates energy stuff or Jay Inslee more than the BIAW. Here is what they say:
www.biaw.com
How HB 1589 affects homebuilders and Washington families
BIAW has received a lot of questions about how HB 1589 affects homebuilders and Washington families.
www.biaw.com
EvenTallerDude
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I thought this was a fishing site. I come here to not be reminded on the turmoil in our state ...
Rob Allen
Life of the Party
However, the bill* requires PSE to develop a plan to “achieve all cost-effective electrification of end uses currently served by natural gas”..I am not sure that any single group hates energy stuff or Jay Inslee more than the BIAW. Here is what they say:
How HB 1589 affects homebuilders and Washington families
BIAW has received a lot of questions about how HB 1589 affects homebuilders and Washington families.
That is a plan for a ban on new natural gas customers.
Switching from coal to natural gas is the ONLY thing America has done that has slowed the increase of our co2 emissions.
We already are not producing enough energy and we are planning to eliminate sources of energy.
No sources of energy, clean or otherwise should be eliminated until it's replacement is 100% online.
Back to owls.
Hint: Don't open threads marked "NFR" then!
Real world discussions on this site at least tend to remain civil, with misinformation usually called out quickly and in a respectful way
So, let me see if I follow this thread: we went from 500,00 owls to be culled to an outright ban on NG appliances in HB 1589, to HB 1589 implies an outright ban on NG appliances, to OK, HB 1589 foreshadows a future bill to ban NG appliances, then back to 500,000 owls, to meatloaf cupcakes - have I got this right?
Well, might as well throw init some bacon, cuz as everyone knows, everthing is better with bacon, even if cooked on an NG stove.
Cheers
Well, might as well throw init some bacon, cuz as everyone knows, everthing is better with bacon, even if cooked on an NG stove.
Cheers
