NFR EV's?

Non-fishing related
Horse country...
Enumclaw

I'm just glad I'm not the only one that immediately thinks that.

Here's a brief Satsop river encounter.

Me: you guys can totally fish here I'm going to work down this run. I prefer you follow or fish above me.

Them: sweet. Thank you. We checked out this water last trip. Looked good.

Me: yeah no worries, where you from?

Them: Enumclaw.

Me: oh wow, so you guys must really be into horses huh?

Them: dude seriously fcxk off.

Me: sorry, I couldn't help it. ................. I'll fish with horse fxcers I guess.

Them: well alright then, we'll just step in above you.
 
I'm also one who lives by two wheels year round. I have mixed feelings about the electric revolution in bikes. For off-road I think it will grow the sport of trail and enduro riding and be more welcome among different use groups. A quiet ohv area would be pretty cool and could likely coexist with hikers and other users more easily. Alta and KTM are already making serviceable off-road stuff. The street stuff I must admit I don't know how quiet I want to be. I'm not a loud pipes guy and gravitate to rally/Dakar style bikes in general but some auditory warning is good for a rider. The electric dirt bikes are scary fast and kinda a trip to ride. Instant tractable power that will loop you silently. Strange to be sure.
Would you ride with a Bonneville rider…?
 
Two main criteria is being able to fit, at 6'2 have long legs, and needs to accomodate roof racks.

We’ve had a Kia Niro EV 3+ years. I’m 6’5” 250 lbs and fit well. Comes with rails for roof racks. Zippy and not weird.

We charge almost entirely at home from a standard outlet and get 240 miles of verified range. It is my spouse’s car but I use it whenever possible to save on fuel costs. For example, to go 100 miles:

The EV costs $2.64
The exact same hybrid (45 mpg) burning $3.50 gas would cost $7.78
Our 2002 compact SUV (22 mpg) costs $15.92
Our 2021 pickup (17 mpg) costs $20.59

I initially calculated we’d save enough on gasoline to offset the higher purchase cost in 7 years, but given the rise in gas prices, it’ll likely be sooner than that.
 
Yeah, I’m fond of her…

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I'm too old to ride now but the recent introduction of a new BSA Gold Star really grabbed my attention. Now that I could easily afford one it is too late. A big thumper at 652 cc's, it would be a nice bike for an older guy to ride-water cooled, fuel injected and with an electric starter. Unlike a lot of the Asian crotch rockets the Beezer LOOKS like a motorcycle.

I'm glad to see the reintroduction of some of the fabled motorcycles, they can't be just like the old models because they are a lot better in most ways. There is no nostalgia for a leaking crankcase or a drooling transmission. But there is a lot to love about the pocka-pocka-pocka sound of a big single getting underway. A real symphony to my old ears.
 
I might be interested in something like the bolt.. I'd be using it to commute around 70 miles a day 4 days a week.

Sorry tesla but a battery that costs tens of thousands to replace needs A LOT more than a 100,000 mile warranty IMO
For those of us with used EV's, PHEV's and hybrids who intend to keep our cars very long term, there's a company in the Bellevue area and another in Cal. that specialize in recycling our high kw battery packs and also selling reconditioned packs for those who want to save some money. Sorry, I don't have names.

A YT channel I caught once showed how to replace the battery pack in a Prius in your own driveway under 4 hours with just a few common tools. I think the total cost was around $5000.
 
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I have some questions of my own.

For folks with kids, do you actually need a big car? When I was growing up, all we had was a Mitsubishi Lancer and a Hyundai Excel. My wife wants a 7 seater "because we have a family now". My thinking is that will be a pain in the ass to drive day-to-day and we will rarely need that many seats. Would it be a stupid idea to just get another small-to-medium sized car and just drive two cars, when we need extra capacity?

Our last hybrid was free, so we never had to do the math before. I'm struggling to justify the extra expense of a hybrid, PHEV or EV. Is there some kind of calculator that can help figure out if you'll ever recoup the cost?
 
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I have some questions of my own.

For folks with kids, do you actually need a big car? When I was growing up, all we had was a Mitsubishi Lancer and a Hyundai Excel. My wife wants a 7 seater "because we have a family now". My thinking is that will be a pain in the ass to drive day-to-day and we will rarely need that many seats. Would it be a stupid idea to just get another small-to-medium sized car and just drive two cars, when we need extra capacity?

Our last hybrid was free, so we never had to do the math before. I'm struggling to justify the extra expense of a hybrid, PHEV or EV. Is there some kind of calculator that can help figure out if you'll ever recoup the cost?
Yeah never understood that. Kids are small, they can fit in the back seat of just about anything.

Only time it becomes an issue I think is if they have a big friend group or cousins that all end up needing to ride together. But I don't see why carpooling isn't a solution for the like 2-3x a year that's probably necessary.
 
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I have some questions of my own.

For folks with kids, do you actually need a big car? When I was growing up, all we had was a Mitsubishi Lancer and a Hyundai Excel. My wife wants a 7 seater "because we have a family now". My thinking is that will be a pain in the ass to drive day-to-day and we will rarely need that many seats. Would it be a stupid idea to just get another small-to-medium sized car and just drive two cars, when we need extra capacity?

Our last hybrid was free, so we never had to do the math before. I'm struggling to justify the extra expense of a hybrid, PHEV or EV. Is there some kind of calculator that can help figure out if you'll ever recoup the cost?

What about something like a Toyota Sienna van? That gives you the extra seats if needed but is pretty utilitarian for doing a lot of stuff. If I remember correctly, I think the new models are only offered as hybrids. Also available in AWD.
Yes….I know, it’s also a van. ;)
SF
 
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I have some questions of my own.

For folks with kids, do you actually need a big car? When I was growing up, all we had was a Mitsubishi Lancer and a Hyundai Excel. My wife wants a 7 seater "because we have a family now". My thinking is that will be a pain in the ass to drive day-to-day and we will rarely need that many seats. Would it be a stupid idea to just get another small-to-medium sized car and just drive two cars, when we need extra capacity?

Our last hybrid was free, so we never had to do the math before. I'm struggling to justify the extra expense of a hybrid, PHEV or EV. Is there some kind of calculator that can help figure out if you'll ever recoup the cost?
I think that it depends upon you and your kids. I really never needed a big car. My family is small in stature and size. The 3 women that live with are a combined weight of 360 lbs.
One played travel soccer but even with the bag and another player we never really needed a big car. Often big cars are more about status or anxiety than function IMO.

Old man rant:

When you have small kids, most wives pack far too much. A grazing unit containing a man and a child will require about 1/4 the amount of stuff that a mother / child GU does. The stroller was the thing that drove me bat shit crazy. I had a small back pack, no need for a big ass stroller. I was 220 lbs at the time and my wife was 105lbs. The stroller was helpful to her. I never needed it or wanted it. I was responsible for getting it in and out of the car etc. Add to that the exorbitant amount of clothing, diapers, cleaning supplies, toys (a child NEEDS only 1), self contained child fences etc. and she may want you to actually drive a semi. None of it is actually needed in the amounts that you will bring but it will make her feel like it's all handled and she is doing her job. She is not , because her job is to defer to the person who isn't emotionally tied to making random people think that she is doing a good job.

Meanwhile, there may be no room for the cooler of beer which is, of course, the only necessity on any family trip. Honestly, most new mothers feel so much pressure that they compensate by being over ready and over pack for everything. I wish we were able to ease the constant anxiety that they feel because it can ruin lives (not an actual joke). The minimum standard is to keep the child alive, not to have a perfect family trip. There are no perfect family trips. She married and reproduced with an asshole (in my case). Most of both families are assholes and more diapers ain't gonna fix that. So tell your aunt to shut the fuck up and stop being judgmental because her little boy is 14 and is a porn addict so that's where her form of parenting will get you.

We ended up getting a 96 volvo wagon for my wife to drive because it was a safe and big and we could afford it. It was a fantastic purchase. It guzzled gas like grain down a foie gras ducks throat. However, it paid itself of in a reduction in subsequent counselling copays. My Subaru was more than large enough for the 4 of us and all the gear to go anywhere provided we did not have to bring the child corral.

As far as the electric vs. gas goes. It may be a new vs. used question at it's heart. I do not know how long your commute is. I have contemplated buying a used Bolt or similar. I have a short commute and it could easily do it even on a 50% battery or less. The older electrics are pretty cheap and honestly, I do not need much to commute in.

The last thing that I will say is that big vehicles like SUV's are often very poor in bad conditions and therefore pretty dangerous. Even my wifes volvo was awful in the snow and she would take my Suby if she had the kids. It was safer than that role cage with wheels because no accident= no danger.
 
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I have some questions of my own.

For folks with kids, do you actually need a big car? When I was growing up, all we had was a Mitsubishi Lancer and a Hyundai Excel. My wife wants a 7 seater "because we have a family now". My thinking is that will be a pain in the ass to drive day-to-day and we will rarely need that many seats. Would it be a stupid idea to just get another small-to-medium sized car and just drive two cars, when we need extra capacity?

Our last hybrid was free, so we never had to do the math before. I'm struggling to justify the extra expense of a hybrid, PHEV or EV. Is there some kind of calculator that can help figure out if you'll ever recoup the cost?

We have two kids - now grown. Bought a CRV since it held 5 people. Figured that is all we needed. Wrong! So many times my wife would cuss (nice words of course) of not having enough seats.
 
What about something like a Toyota Sienna van? That gives you the extra seats if needed but is pretty utilitarian for doing a lot of stuff. If I remember correctly, I think the new models are only offered as hybrids. Also available in AWD.
Yes….I know, it’s also a van. ;)
SF
Honestly, I think vans (passenger and utility) are very underappreciated as a very good option for a lot of people. They're just overlooked because they don't look sexy. My brain only really processes "practical vs impractical," and vans have always had appeal for me. I still have thoughts about swapping my F250 for a Super Duty 4x4 van.
 
I'm also one who lives by two wheels year round. I have mixed feelings about the electric revolution in bikes. For off-road I think it will grow the sport of trail and enduro riding and be more welcome among different use groups. A quiet ohv area would be pretty cool and could likely coexist with hikers and other users more easily. Alta and KTM are already making serviceable off-road stuff. The street stuff I must admit I don't know how quiet I want to be. I'm not a loud pipes guy and gravitate to rally/Dakar style bikes in general but some auditory warning is good for a rider. The electric dirt bikes are scary fast and kinda a trip to ride. Instant tractable power that will loop you silently. Strange to be sure.
Just read that Harley announced they will transition to all electric.
Wish I still had my 60's BMW R60 to tool around in. Talk about purring like a kitten
 
Just read that Harley announced they will transition to all electric.
Wish I still had my 60's BMW R60 to tool around in. Talk about purring like a kitten
I think Harley is doing it by necessity since they have almost zero following in the younger generations. With their youngest real demographic being boomers, they have to make some drastic changes or they're going to run out of customers very soon. I think it's a smart move for a lot of reasons.
 
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