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Aren’t you right in there? The funny thing about dogma is that we all have some inherently, but there are always those who claim to be free of it.So much BS, he said, she said, no this, no that. Too many trying to win and argument and not working on remedies. The mayflies are going fast, what are you doing? Actually doing, not hollering dogma.
I cited Reuters, who used a model developed by Argonne, which was sponsored by US Department of Energy. The research that G_smolt cited uses the same GREET model, and was supported by Ford Motor Co. through a Ford-University of Michigan Alliance Project Award. Will you attempt to discredit them as well? https://www.reuters.com/business/au...tent&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitterIn this debate there are no NEUTRAL sources no matter which side you subscribe to. Crediting Wikipedia, one of the most left-leaning online encyclopedias, is hypocritical. You can cite a clearly non-neutral source, but I can't. You cited UW above, which I am sure is sucking at the tit of climate change grant money just like everyone else. Is UW a neutral source? - hardly.
I don’t think I’ve tried to discredit any source, but I am always skeptical of most sources based on their inevitable bias. Using a biased source to highlight a disagreement with another biased source is hypocritical. There are always multiple sides to all arguments. It would be nice to hear FACTS from all sides without individuals trashing facts that are inconvenient to their particular point of view.I cited Reuters, who used a model developed by Argonne, which was sponsored by US Department of Energy. The research that G_smolt cited uses the same GREET model, and was supported by Ford Motor Co. through a Ford-University of Michigan Alliance Project Award. Will you attempt to discredit them as well? https://www.reuters.com/business/au...tent&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
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Study: Greater greenhouse gas reductions for pickup truck electrification than for other light-duty vehicles
Major automotive manufacturers are ramping up production of electric trucks as a key strategy to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions of their vehicles. Light-duty vehicles, including sedans, SUVs and pickup trucks, are currently responsible for 58% of U.S. transportation sector greenhouse gas emissnews.umich.edu
So much BS, he said, she said, no this, no that. Too many trying to win and argument and not working on remedies. The mayflies are going fast, what are you doing? Actually doing, not hollering dogma.
I can't afford the gasSo much BS, he said, she said, no this, no that. Too many trying to win and argument and not working on remedies. The mayflies are going fast, what are you doing? Actually doing, not hollering dogma.
Newsmax is out of touch with reality and has a very obvious bias. AllSides, according to, CommonSensemedia, is a right wing outfit. CommonSensemedia claims to be a Christian organization with no bias that I can find.![]()
Is Wikipedia Biased?
Updated 1/4/2023 and 8/16/22. Originally published 3/16/21. Is Wikipedia biaswww.allsides.com
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Wikipedia co-founder says site is now ‘propaganda’ for left-leaning ‘establishment’
Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger has warned that the website can no longer be trusted — insisting it is now just “propaganda” for the left-leaning “establishment.”nypost.com
Lets stick to facts here: The Newsmax article cited five studies related to Wikipedia bias. Are you saying those five studies didn’t happen or are presenting obvious false data? Just because you find fault with Newsmax’s political leanings, do you automatically discredit anything they post or do the studies cited get any standing on their own?Newsmax is out of touch with reality and has a very obvious bias. AllSides, according to, CommonSensemedia, is a right wing outfit. CommonSensemedia claims to be a Christian organization with no bias that I can find.
Okay then, do you dispute the conclusions of those two studies which paint a different, more nuanced (and I'd argue more realistic) picture than what you posted from the Manhattan Institute?I don’t think I’ve tried to discredit any source, but I am always skeptical of most sources based on their inevitable bias. Using a biased source to highlight a disagreement with another biased source is hypocritical. There are always multiple sides to all arguments. It would be nice to hear FACTS from all sides without individuals trashing facts that are inconvenient to their particular point of view.
Ahh yes, the Manhattan cocktail. The best part about that drink is when your friend orders a Cosmo, and you order a Manhattan, one of you looks like the lesser of two assholes.Plus there is their project. You know, the Manhattan project
Since all the sources cited appear to be biased, I don't know whom or what to believe. Mike, are you as skeptical of the sources that you cite as you are of the sources cited by others who disagree with yours?I don’t think I’ve tried to discredit any source, but I am always skeptical of most sources based on their inevitable bias. Using a biased source to highlight a disagreement with another biased source is hypocritical. There are always multiple sides to all arguments. It would be nice to hear FACTS from all sides without individuals trashing facts that are inconvenient to their particular point of view.
to the bone...Since all the sources cited appear to be biased, I don't know whom or what to believe. Mike, are you as skeptical of the sources that you cite as you are of the sources cited by others who disagree with yours?
It seems to me that one logical alternative is to continue mining and burning fossil fuels and polluting the air and increasing the rate of climate change. The natural and logical outcome would appear to be that we'll consume all the fossil fuel that is economical to extract and thereby price ourselves out of using it and forcing ourselves to use another alternative. Or, the air will become so damn polluted, and the climate will shift such that we all suffocate and or create a planet unsuited to growing enough crops to sustain humanity. Either of those ways the problem is ultimately solved, but the process may be extremely unpleasant.
I am saying NewMax has a strong history of distorting the facts to suit its political subscribers. I dare say, you would hold little credibility in studies presented by Greenpeace.Lets stick to facts here: The Newsmax article cited five studies related to Wikipedia bias. Are you saying those five studies didn’t happen or are presenting obvious false data? Just because you find fault with Newsmax’s political leanings, do you automatically discredit anything they post or do the studies cited get any standing on their own?
What about CNN, MSNBC..I am saying NewMax has a strong history of distorting the facts to suit its political subscribers.
I don't listen to CNN but believe they are left bias. MSNBC is definitely left biased. Both, like Fox, bow to their corporate masters. Try LINK and Free Speech TV which survive on "people" donations. NPR to a certain extent but have some corporate affiliations as well.What about CNN, MSNBC..
So much BS, he said, she said, no this, no that. Too many trying to win and argument and not working on remedies. The mayflies are going fast, what are you doing? Actually doing, not hollering dogma.
My skepticism stems from 20+ years as an enterprise-level strategy consultant helping businesses, non-profits and government entities develop and execute strategies for (what they deemed important) their strategic success. One of the truisms of strategic (vice tactical) thinking is this quote: “ The best way to predict the future is to invent it." Alan Kay The corollary to that is another strategic truism: “Bad Predictions are common”: Although there are dozens of lists of historically bad predictions about the future on the net, this one is pretty comprehensive:Since all the sources cited appear to be biased, I don't know whom or what to believe. Mike, are you as skeptical of the sources that you cite as you are of the sources cited by others who disagree with yours?
It seems to me that one logical alternative is to continue mining and burning fossil fuels and polluting the air and increasing the rate of climate change. The natural and logical outcome would appear to be that we'll consume all the fossil fuel that is economical to extract and thereby price ourselves out of using it and forcing ourselves to use another alternative. Or, the air will become so damn polluted, and the climate will shift such that we all suffocate and or create a planet unsuited to growing enough crops to sustain humanity. Either of those ways the problem is ultimately solved, but the process may be extremely unpleasant.
Of course they do, one should expect nothing less. My knowledge of Wikipedia may surprise you!I am saying NewMax has a strong history of distorting the facts to suit its political subscribers. I dare say, you would hold little credibility in studies presented by Greenpeace.
If you care to dig deeper into Wikipedia you will find liberal groups that feel Wikipedia is right wing biased. This based on Wikipedia's former depiction of Obama and Hilary. I look at wikipedia as a tool that swings both ways given the data they are presented.
Does trust really matter though?It seems clear to me that for my money, the conclusions drawn by Reuters, University of Michigan and Ford are the more trustworthy of what's been presented. But that's just me.