D and NU closures

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Deschutes didn't meet July numbers and is closing Aug 15th. Chance of reopening if July + Aug number meet targets but that is looking like a longshot. They also closed salmon to stop people from "salmon" fishing with steelhead gear, hopefully they do the same with certain trout gear too. A hook size restriction(14 and smaller?) should do the trick.

Now the North Umpqua is closing for the season on Aug 10th.

Steelhead angling on the North Umpqua River is closed Aug. 10 – Nov. 30 | Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife

Evan Leonetti, 541-464-2175, evan.leonetti@odfw.oregon.govChris Traill 541- 464-2155 christopher.a.traill@odfw.oregon.gov
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Personally I feel like they should just shut it all down for the year. If the places that have targets aren't getting there(not even close) then the other rivers are probably doing poorly too. Keeping those open means they will absorb all the pressure. We had a decent return last year so we really need to get this cycle of fish back on track, at least as much as it can. At least put return target in place for all of them.
 
While I don't outright disagree with the closure.

1. I should be offered a refund on my Oregon fishing license - a prorated fir the one day I fished in Oregon.

2. The closure won't affect future abundance.

3. All wild summer run rivers should be closed in Oregon and Washington to keep them from having to absorb the additional pressure..
A deschutes closure doesn't mean, "well let's go dogpile on the Klickitat then."
 
Rob Allen said:
Tribal net fisheries in the Bonneville pool take almost half the Wind river summer steelhead in less than 8 miles of river. Deschutes steelhead have to transit much more than 8 miles
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I agree with the decision for the NU. They should have shut it down sooner; late June or early July. The numbers are crap and the water has been warm and low since June.

I doubt it would ever happen, but I'd love to see a special permit for pointless dry fly fishing starting once water temps drop to some benchmark at Winchester dam. Pay a reasonable fee, say $100.00 and get the opportunity to skate a dry, pointless fly. I miss fall fishing enough that I would pay for it . I don't think this would have any impact of the fish. You're only gonna raise players, fish that would be chasing the naturals anyway. Problem as always would be enforcement.
 
the_grube said:
I agree with the decision for the NU. They should have shut it down sooner; late June or early July. The numbers are crap and the water has been warm and low since June.

I doubt it would ever happen, but I'd love to see a special permit for pointless dry fly fishing starting once water temps drop to some benchmark at Winchester dam. Pay a reasonable fee, say $100.00 and get the opportunity to skate a dry, pointless fly. I miss fall fishing enough that I would pay for it . I don't think this would have any impact of the fish. You're only gonna raise players, fish that would be chasing the naturals anyway. Problem as always would be enforcement.
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My buddy swears up and down that this is legal even in a closed river. Says he talked to somebody at ODFW and was told it is okay. I'm not looking to get hassled, but would like to know if it is indeed legal.

Any of you OS guys know the real deal?
 
Yard Sale said:
My buddy swears up and down that this is legal even in a closed river. Says he talked to somebody at ODFW and was told it is okay. I'm not looking to get hassled, but would like to know if it is indeed legal.

Any of you OS guys know the real deal?
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Even if it is indeed legal, is it really ethical?

One could actually say that about a lot of legal techniques too, TBH. (also some may be or have been utilized by me).

We're still in the business of harassing wildlife, especially us CNR folks.
 
clarkman said:
Even if it is indeed legal, is it really ethical?

One could actually say that about a lot of legal techniques too, TBH. (also some may be or have been utilized by me).

We're still in the business of harassing wildlife, especially us CNR folks.
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It's a fair question. I'm not sure I see the harm in fishing a hookless skater, basically just fishing for the rise. I've never done it so I'm not sure if there is a risk of that fish clamping down on it enough to get to a fight. If that is a possibility then I'd say no it's not. If the water temps are fair and you are just making a fish rise and drop back down? It would be cool to fish a bunch of weird water hookless and maybe learn some things.

The ODFW guy told my buddy if fishing hookless is harassment they'd have to ticket all the rafters/swimmers, which seems flippant to me.
 
Yard Sale said:
It would be cool to fish a bunch of weird water hookless and maybe learn some things.
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oh yeah, agreed...that would actually be really fun!

That said, they still have to expend energy they wouldn't otherwise have to expend (obviously not as much as being hooked and played, but still).

Yard Sale said:
The ODFW guy told my buddy if fishing hookless is harassment they'd have to ticket all the rafters/swimmers, which seems flippant to me.
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yeah, seems like a bit of a stretch there.
 
Snopro said:
The Klick has a hook restriction of #14 or smaller during "whitefish season", Dec-Feb. I wonder if we could see something similar on the Deschutes and John Day when steelhead is closed.
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last I saw, it was 12, but may have changed as I've never fished it for that. strangely enough, my best whitefish pattern for the winter on the D is tied on a size 12 (but honestly these hook sizes are pretty subjective considering that different manufacturers have different hook gaps, not to mention X-size 'wide gap', which all seems silly to me. It's like, ok, measure the hook gap, but sure I coulda tied it on a 16 wide gap hook which may not fit into anything conventional....

sorry, I'm all about tangents today! sheesh!

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clarkman said:
It's like, ok, measure the hook gap, but sure I coulda tied it on a 16 wide gap hook which may not fit into anything conventional....
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Interestingly enough the regs specify a gap maximum to arrive at the size 14 hook.

"Whitefish Gear Rules Fishing gear is restricted to one single-point hook, maximum hook size 3/16" point to shank (hook size 14), and bait is allowed. All species: Release all fish except whitefish."
 
Snopro said:
Interestingly enough the regs specify a gap maximum to arrive at the size 14 hook.

"Whitefish Gear Rules Fishing gear is restricted to one single-point hook, maximum hook size 3/16" point to shank (hook size 14), and bait is allowed. All species: Release all fish except whitefish."
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Yet of course bait is allowed. So strange.
 
I for sure know of a guy who would fish a very heavy size 14 after the end of the season plunking bait. He'd hide under a bridge doing it too. No way he was after whitefish.
 
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