Old406Kid
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What they should do is put some Ukranian farmers on it...it seems like they've got a pretty good track record with tanks.
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NFR Ukraine...Little Did I Know
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Heard on the news today that a reason the Pentagon doesn't want to do the Poland to US base in Germany then to Ukraine Mig-29 deal is because they don't expect much gain and it feeds into the perspective that the US and NATO allies are "escalating" the conflict. I'm truly a pacifist at heart, but I've got a hyperactive justice ethic. The Russians (and Chinese ally) are already accusing NATO nations and the US of participating in the war, which is true given that we're all sending weapons and humanitarian aid. I'm at the point where I don't see much downside to declaring Ukraine a "no-fly zone" for Russian aircraft and make them fair game for any NATO aircraft. And if Ukraine lacks thermobaric bombs, we should send 'em a couple to detonate over the 40 mile convoy, for starters. Kills the soldiers and leaves the hardware usable. And we quite obviously need to be arming Ukrainian farm tractors with Javelin missles so they can continue their anti-tank work. (jk) I fear the sanctions, while adversely impacting Russians, won't have much effect on Russian military until after they've taken Ukraine and moved on to Putin's next objective. I don't like it, but I think this is WWIII. Russia's - and Putin's - ability to wage war has to be destroyed or else NATO will be destroyed, albeit piecemeal.
I hope you're wrong. But I think you're right.
SilverFly
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Agreed that's a nice premise, but the general absence of efficiency in government would prohibit them from ever making a profit. Especially in an industry as specialized as this. The fact that so many former chip makers have gone "fabless" to focus solely on chip design is testament to that.
Hell, the US Postal Service would be out of business the instant it went private (no offense to postal employees intended). Making integrated semiconductor devices is a tad more complicated and competitive.
wanderingrichard
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Yeah, I get that. But, working primarily now in defense, and having to learn contracting the DoD way, i still think there's a law prohibiting USG from competing against US firms for profit. Just that nagging little alarm bell in the dark and moldy recessed of my mind, ya know ??
jaredoconnor
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If Russia's recent military prowess is anything to go by, I'm not sure WWIII is the end game here.
That said, I have no idea what's going on over there. It doesn't matter how much I read, I still don't get it.
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Mingo
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I've been aware of all that for a long time. It's extensive and we're hardly innocent bystanders, but that type of cloak and dagger, behind- the -scenes bullshit has been going on forever. And when people say "Zelensky is a Western/NATO puppet".....well, let's say that is true. But would you prefer a Russian puppet, like Yanukovych? I mean, in purely selfish U.S. interest terms, it's better to have someone who leans our direction. But if we look at it through the "fairness" lens of pure ethics, no country should ever meddle or influence-peddle or do anything to influence another country's electoral process. But that doesn't happen. Russia fucks with ours, we fuck with theirs, shit we fuck with everything we can to get it to sift out to our advantage. And I don't mean "we the people", I mean "we," as in those uber rich American oligarch assholes who line their own pockets at the expense of we "average" Americans. The ones they look down on.
Nobody should look at any of this in a naive fashion. But at the end of the day, Putin attacked an independent country and continues to pulverize their cities and kill their people at a furious pace. He's already stated his goal of reassembling the Russian empire, and he's threatened to use nukes. All of that ugly shit needs to be stopped and then we can sort out the other messes that led up to this.
Because one thing remains very true: the typical Ukrainian citizen, going about their business of living their lives, did not cause any of this brutality.
jaredoconnor
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I believe the official demands from Russia are...
- Guarantee neutrality, with constitutional changes.
- Acknowledge Crimea as a Russian territory.
- Acknowledge Donetsk and Luhansk as independent.
Dustin Chromers
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Independent fact checkers have found the above to be untrue. Click here to find out why.
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Mingo
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I'll add a few edits to Putin's demands......
- Guarantee neutrality, with constitutional changes, because we refuse to recognize Ukraine as anything other than our possession and not a "real country" with their own future goals separate from ours.
- Acknowledge Crimea as a Russian territory. We demand the world acknowledge and legitimize my theft of Crimea from Ukraine.
- Acknowledge Donetsk and Luhansk as independent. We demand the world acknowledge and legitimize our ongoing attempts to also steal the Donbas region from Ukraine. Yes, we started to supply the region with arms and troops exactly one month after we stole Crimea, but we blame all of this on the Ukrainian "fascists" who dare challenge us. How DARE Ukraine try to keep their country intact! how DARE they defy me!
I've read all his bullshit demands. Using his logic, that pesky "fascist" Abe Lincoln had no right to keep the USA intact when the slave states decided they wanted to leave.
jaredoconnor
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"Considering the question on whether we are going to attack other countries; no we do not plan that. We didn't attack Ukraine."
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bennysbuddy
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"Considering the question on whether we are going to attack other countries; no we do not plan that. We didn't attack Ukraine."
I wonder it Ukraine have changed their minds on giving up their nukes yet ?
SilverFly
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"Considering the question on whether we are going to attack other countries; no we do not plan that. We didn't attack Ukraine."
So, all the deaths, damage, tanks, missiles, thousands of Russian troops in Ukraine are what? A hologram?
This is right up there with the Chinese accusing Western sanctions of being "violations of international law", at the same time they fail to condemn the invasion, let alone Russian attacks on civilians.
Agreed.
It kind of reminds me of talking to my 3 year old when he's hungry and tired and just not understanding what words he's saying and what they mean. Except this guy is a grown man....
Putin is a mafia boss. By wrecking Ukraine he is making an example of them for the other former Soviet satellite states. He is punishing the West by sending 5 million plus refugees into NATO countries. Later, he will try out an energy embargo. His goal is to depopulate eastern Ukraine, annex it, and repopulate with Russians. He wants the remainder of Ukraine to be a smoldering ruin that lacks EU membership and NATO protection. In his mind, this will achieve a multi-polar world order with Russia one of the major powers. The best solution is for Ukraine to counter attack when the Russian military is drained (and they are resupplied) to push the Russian land forces out. Western sanctions should be permanent until all invading Russians are out of Ukraine.
Western sanctions should be permanent until Putin is in a glass covered sarcophagus like Lenin...
But moving on here :
How shameless are the Russians when it comes to justifying their invasion of Ukraine? The Spokesman of Russia's Defense Ministry, Major General Igor Konashenkov, saying US planned to use migratory birds to spread weaponized viruses from Ukraine to Russia.
The Russians are just trolling the Qanons at this point. Nobody is going to believe anything they say, so they're not even trying anymore.
But moving on here :
How shameless are the Russians when it comes to justifying their invasion of Ukraine? The Spokesman of Russia's Defense Ministry, Major General Igor Konashenkov, saying US planned to use migratory birds to spread weaponized viruses from Ukraine to Russia.
The Russians are just trolling the Qanons at this point. Nobody is going to believe anything they say, so they're not even trying anymore.
Holy shit, they were right.
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