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Mark Yoshida

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I was up at Rattlesnake today and as I was loading up a nice looking truck was backing up at the launch. It lowered itself so the people could get out (can elevate up to 15” clearance in off-road mode). Very quiet and snuck up on me. Didn’t get a look inside as the were taking it out for a demo, but said I could take pic. As it was ($110,000). The two couples switched places and said they were going to test the off-road mode next. I asked the range and she said 350-375 miles. I asked about the bed length and think it might fit my pram.😆
 

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Wow, a Rivian in the wild!!
They've been developing that truck for almost 10 years and its finally out in the market .

IPO was in December and wasn't well advertised. Left a lot of us smaller investors hanging in the cold until the morning of the IPO. By then the big money profit takers had run the price way up.

2 weeks ago, they raised the list retail price and lost a lot of pre orders. Still it offers a fresh look at what an electric pick up can be.

Mark, look at their website for details, but also, if you want to look at alternatives, Ford brought out the F150 Lightning, fully electric, as well as a hybrid version of the standard F150.

Too, GM just brought out a fully electric Silverado this year. Which I don't know much about.

Both offerings retail for less than that Rivian you saw, but be careful how you option any of them. The cost can go up expotentially.

With any of them, you'll need a 240 volt home charging station added to your house, plus as a good idea, a membership with a public EV charging company.

Sorry, i might have hijacked your thread. Just wanted to make you aware of that history and possible alternatives if you want to go electric.
 
Those Rivians are super cool trucks. Haven't seen one in the wild yet though. I have a Silverado EV and Cybertruck on reserve. Going to make my determination on which one to get, or whether or not I even want one when they finally deliver. Thankfully the deposits are refundable.

I currently drive a Chevy Bolt EV as my commuter car and absolutely love it.
 
Damm thats ugly, & not much of a cargo box.
No, you're right there isn't. My understanding is that its designed for urbanites who want a family oriented, do a lot of everything, but not one thing well, truck. A newer version of what the normal pick up has become. In short , the family station wagon.
 
In theory, I would love to purchase an electric truck or, even better, a hybrid truck as my vehicle to transition to retirement and beyond. There is a charging station where I work, but I need the hybrid to have a range of 30-40 miles, not the 9 mile (15km) all-electric range of the hybrid F-150. The electric capacity in this vehicle appears to be primarily appealing to those who get a boner over horsepower or rocket-like acceleration.
And if a fully electric truck, I want a range of several hundred miles between charges. But the ranges that are now being promoted by the manufacturers are falling significantly shorter under real-world freeway driving (see this review of the Rivian). And the range becomes downright laughable if you are towing a trailer (see review). That won't cut it if I am driving from Western WA to Montana, etc. with even a small trailer.
I suspect that what I want cannot be satisfied by a single vehicle. I want something that has enough battery capacity to be a commuter vehicle (less than 100 miles round trip) and yet have a good-enough gasoline engine (or battery capacity) to not make a 450-500 mile road trip to Idaho or Montana into a multi-day affair of charging and charging and charging. I suspect that I will end up purchasing a gasoline-powered vehicle in the end.
I will keep looking...
Steve
 
In theory, I would love to purchase an electric truck or, even better, a hybrid truck as my vehicle to transition to retirement and beyond. There is a charging station where I work, but I need the hybrid to have a range of 30-40 miles, not the 9 mile (15km) all-electric range of the hybrid F-150. The electric capacity in this vehicle appears to be primarily appealing to those who get a boner over horsepower or rocket-like acceleration.
And if a fully electric truck, I want a range of several hundred miles between charges. But the ranges that are now being promoted by the manufacturers are falling significantly shorter under real-world freeway driving (see this review of the Rivian). And the range becomes downright laughable if you are towing a trailer (see review). That won't cut it if I am driving from Western WA to Montana, etc. with even a small trailer.
I suspect that what I want cannot be satisfied by a single vehicle. I want something that has enough battery capacity to be a commuter vehicle (less than 100 miles round trip) and yet have a good-enough gasoline engine (or battery capacity) to not make a 450-500 mile road trip to Idaho or Montana into a multi-day affair of charging and charging and charging. I suspect that I will end up purchasing a gasoline-powered vehicle in the end.
I will keep looking...
Steve
Steve, does it absolutely have to be a truck?
Plenty of the most recent PHEV's (cars) fit the range you want.
My 14 Fusion Energi gets @20 miles on a single charge and the newer ones get about 26. Add in a full tank of gas with a fully charged, and prewarmed battery, and my trip computer tells me 560 miles with the 3 of us , the two dogs, and luggage.

There are also some great CUV and SUV Hybrids /PHEV's out there too. You jave to look harder for then.

@Paige; I know you're probably reading this. How is your hybrid Yota doing?
 
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We're literally at generation 1 of electric trucks. They're absolutely not going to do everything a gas/diesel truck can do yet. They can do a lot of things gas/diesel trucks can't though, like power your house in a power outage. I think it's a great start though.
 
Steve, does it absolutely have to be a truck?
Plenty of the most recent PHEV's (cars) fit the range you want.
My 14 Fusion Energi gets @20 miles on a single charge and the newer ones get about 26. Add in a full tank of gas with a fully charged, and prewarmed battery, and my trip computer tells me 560 miles with the 3 of us , the two dogs, and luggage.

There are also some great CUV and SUV Hybrids /PHEV's out there too. You jave to look harder for then.

@Paige; I know you're probably reading this. How is your hybrid Yota doing?
Hi WR and Evan,
I fear that I'm in the same situation in trying to find the single perfect truck as trying to buy the perfect, flexible boat - it doesn't exist and you have to decide what is most important to you.
I had a Honda Civic for 20 years as my commuter vehicle and it was consistently over 32mpg - perfect for commuting. But that phase of my life is coming to end in the next year or two. I want the truck for yard projects, to carry my pontoon boat to the mountains for day-trips, and to tow a small A-frame trailer on multi-day expeditions.
Have you tested the accuracy of your trip computer under real world driving conditions? In this Car and Driver review of the Rivian, they achieved only a range of 220 miles when driving 75mph on a real highway route, 70% of the EPA rating of 314 miles. In the earlier Rivian review that I cited, the range for freeway driving was half (half of 220 miles) of the unloaded freeway range when carrying a trailer with a 5650 pound load. And very few charging stations are really set up for a drive-through charging situation with a trailer. I haven't found any charging stations on the St. Joe or Kelly Creek. I wonder how long it would take solar panels to recharge an electric truck battery? I am hoping that the vehicle that I am commuting with now will last another year or two and we'll see how the technology evolves, but I fear that I am asking for something that violates the laws of physics...
Steve
 
Definitely the way of the future....but it's going to take some time for the early adopters to fund more EV development before I head in that direction.
 
Hi WR and Evan,
I fear that I'm in the same situation in trying to find the single perfect truck as trying to buy the perfect, flexible boat - it doesn't exist and you have to decide what is most important to you.
I had a Honda Civic for 20 years as my commuter vehicle and it was consistently over 32mpg - perfect for commuting. But that phase of my life is coming to end in the next year or two. I want the truck for yard projects, to carry my pontoon boat to the mountains for day-trips, and to tow a small A-frame trailer on multi-day expeditions.
Have you tested the accuracy of your trip computer under real world driving conditions? In this Car and Driver review of the Rivian, they achieved only a range of 220 miles when driving 75mph on a real highway route, 70% of the EPA rating of 314 miles. In the earlier Rivian review that I cited, the range for freeway driving was half (half of 220 miles) of the unloaded freeway range when carrying a trailer with a 5650 pound load. And very few charging stations are really set up for a drive-through charging situation with a trailer. I haven't found any charging stations on the St. Joe or Kelly Creek. I wonder how long it would take solar panels to recharge an electric truck battery? I am hoping that the vehicle that I am commuting with now will last another year or two and we'll see how the technology evolves, but I fear that I am asking for something that violates the laws of physics...
Steve
My Chevy Bolt range is honestly great during the summer. Not as great in the winter, but still good. The range is VERY dependent on type of driving. Freeway speeds is not great. City driving, it'll go forever.

I was able to do this trip to pick up some bulk frozen anchovies for tuna bait last summer. I PROBABLY could have done it without a charge, but I did a quick 15-ish min plug in charge at the Fred Meyer in Warrenton and had plenty of juice left when I got home.
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Charging stations are everywhere. Range anxiety shouldn't be much worse for you than it is with a gas/diesel rig.
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I see one pretty frequently around my neighborhood. I don’t see myself selling my current truck anytime soon, but by time i get around to it i would anticipate my next vehicle will be either electric or a hybrid of some sort.
Was trying to get my wife interested in a Toyota Highlander Hybrid for her (they get ~35 mpg, have long range on a tank, and are good in the snow/rain. She gave me a hard pass.
 
I see one pretty frequently around my neighborhood. I don’t see myself selling my current truck anytime soon, but by time i get around to it i would anticipate my next vehicle will be either electric or a hybrid of some sort.
Was trying to get my wife interested in a Toyota Highlander Hybrid for her (they get ~35 mpg, have long range on a tank, and are good in the snow/rain. She gave me a hard pass.
We have a Toyota Highlander Hybrid, our second I say we, but its my wife's). We bought them both used. They are great vehicles, with one exception. The all wheel drive will cut power to a wheel that is spinning. If all four wheels are spinning, it cuts power to all wheels. That's dangerous. Some steep icy driveways require spinning the wheels part way up. You can turn off the AWD drive and then it is a front wheel drive. But you should be able to force the Highlander to skid around and up steep driveways.
 
Hi WR and Evan,
I fear that I'm in the same situation in trying to find the single perfect truck as trying to buy the perfect, flexible boat - it doesn't exist and you have to decide what is most important to you.
I had a Honda Civic for 20 years as my commuter vehicle and it was consistently over 32mpg - perfect for commuting. But that phase of my life is coming to end in the next year or two. I want the truck for yard projects, to carry my pontoon boat to the mountains for day-trips, and to tow a small A-frame trailer on multi-day expeditions.
Have you tested the accuracy of your trip computer under real world driving conditions? In this Car and Driver review of the Rivian, they achieved only a range of 220 miles when driving 75mph on a real highway route, 70% of the EPA rating of 314 miles. In the earlier Rivian review that I cited, the range for freeway driving was half (half of 220 miles) of the unloaded freeway range when carrying a trailer with a 5650 pound loadFranciscoy few charging stations are really set up for a drive-through charging situation with a trailer. I haven't found any charging stations on the St. Joe or Kelly Creek. I wonder how long it would take solar panels to recharge an electric truck battery? I am hoping that the vehicle that I am commuting with now will last another year or two and we'll see how the technology evolves, but I fear that I am asking for something that violates the laws of physics...
Steve
@ Cabezon; My driving results somewhat mirror Evan with regard to weather related battery range. In warmer months I can actually get 540 miles on the full charge / full tank. This generation of batteries are very temperature sensitive. That includes the battery packs on Teslas.

I use it as my daily driver, replacing my 22 yro F150 2WD w/ V6 and 5 speed stick, which i was filling once a week @$75.00+ a tank full. Now, once every 4 1/2 weeks I fill up.

I reset the data collection function on the Energi once a week. Consistently it shows me 55-58 MPG each week. That's using both on board systems as they're supposed to be used.

In cold weather I seldom use the EV feature in the morning, but do use the prewarm feature to warm the battery and clear the windows. Ford at least gives us the option to shut off the EV side if we desire. Doing it in reverse like this, lets the car use the heated generated by the fossil burner to warm the battery pack. But the car is happiest when you let it manage itself.

My Enegi is HEAVY compared to Evans Volt. Unloaded curb weight is @4700 lbs. That's the 2.4 l 4 cyl coupled with the 7.4 kw battery in the trunk. And the additional electric motor sandwhiched into the drivetrain.

In comparison the Fusion Sport, which is the high performance, AWD, gas only model, weighs in at 3900 lb.and still get 38 mpg if you aren't racing it. (BTW, if anyone wants a "sleeper" this might be what you want, they're incredibly fast)

My best trip so far was from my house to San Francisco, about 1560 miles round trip , myself and another adult, to pick up a Bassett rescue, and return, with the average for the entire trip of 55 mpg.

That's including one overnight with the Ford supplied 110v charging cable plugged into the outside wall of the hotel.

I'm still not completely sold on full EV for trucks, though many governments are pushing hard to rid their streets of gas and diesel burners by 2030. My concern is battery management and dealer support. A LOT of old school dealerships are not spending the money they should to train their techs how to work on their advanced systems. They think there is no money in it for them, since they base so much of their profit on parts,and labor. So, we are probably looking at at least another 5-8 years before infrastructure catches up. Think automotive history, circa 1928.

Sorry, probably gave you a $10.00 answer to your question.
 
I think electric vehicles are fantastic for a in town rig or short run daily commuter rig, they have a long way to go in the pickup department . They need a lot more mileage & tow capacity for starters. Who buys a fuel hog truck to carry a man& a lunch box to work ? I use them to tow stuff & drag travel trailers on trips & haul cargo .
 
@ Cabezon; My driving results somewhat mirror Evan with regard to weather related battery range. In warmer months I can actually get 540 miles on the full charge / full tank. This generation of batteries are very temperature sensitive. That includes the battery packs on Teslas.

I use it as my daily driver, replacing my 22 yro F150 2WD w/ V6 and 5 speed stick, which i was filling once a week @$75.00+ a tank full. Now, once every 4 1/2 weeks I fill up.

I reset the data collection function on the Energi once a week. Consistently it shows me 55-58 MPG each week. That's using both on board systems as they're supposed to be used.

In cold weather I seldom use the EV feature in the morning, but do use the prewarm feature to warm the battery and clear the windows. Ford at least gives us the option to shut off the EV side if we desire. Doing it in reverse like this, lets the car use the heated generated by the fossil burner to warm the battery pack. But the car is happiest when you let it manage itself.

My Enegi is HEAVY compared to Evans Volt. Unloaded curb weight is @4700 lbs. That's the 2.4 l 4 cyl coupled with the 7.4 kw battery in the trunk. And the additional electric motor sandwhiched into the drivetrain.

In comparison the Fusion Sport, which is the high performance, AWD, gas only model, weighs in at 3900 lb.and still get 38 mpg if you aren't racing it. (BTW, if anyone wants a "sleeper" this might be what you want, they're incredibly fast)

My best trip so far was from my house to San Francisco, about 1560 miles round trip , myself and another adult, to pick up a Bassett rescue, and return, with the average for the entire trip of 55 mpg.

That's including one overnight with the Ford supplied 110v charging cable plugged into the outside wall of the hotel.

I'm still not completely sold on full EV for trucks, though many governments are pushing hard to rid their streets of gas and diesel burners by 2030. My concern is battery management and dealer support. A LOT of old school dealerships are not spending the money they should to train their techs how to work on their advanced systems. They think there is no money in it for them, since they base so much of their profit on parts,and labor. So, we are probably looking at at least another 5-8 years before infrastructure catches up. Think automotive history, circa 1928.

Sorry, probably gave you a $10.00 answer to your question.
I have the Bolt, not the Volt 😉 two very different platforms. Mine has no gas at all. Volt is the plug in hybrid.
 
I have the Bolt, not the Volt 😉 two very different platforms. Mine has no gas at all. Volt is the plug in hybrid.
Right now upon looking at the Rivian site yesterday I not most of my resulted in endless investment sites. I have been intrigued by the Rivian since I first heard about it … like 5 years ago?
 
We are Prius owners an old one… we have had 2 cat. Converters stolen . Replaced the battery( the smaller one that interfaces with yhe large main… expensive enough for us. The Rivian is a fantasy truck for me. Hell been looking recently at the new small truck line ups. I guess i am old… WTH happened to truck beds? They are the size of a couple shopping carts!
 
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