Bull Trout vs Dollies

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Same fish in different watersheds? I've hooked many dollies small to larger while fishing PNW streams especially when drifting bait. I'm in NW Montana now & we're finding Bull Trout while prospecting for Rainbows in the local river. Now these are all C&R fish, my son landed a 22" & myself a 16" on back to back days, from what l hear these are small sized specimens in this watershed. There in the native colored upriver camouflage but are a strikingly beautiful fish when in hand.

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Interesting. I'll read all 4 chapters
 
Wait, they're the same fish! It's just that WDFW morphed the species in the days after Mt. St. Helens erupted. Prior to the eruption I fished the North Fork Lewis with my dad. He was dangling worms and I was learning to fly fish. There were Dollies in the river, at least according to WDFW. He'd catch the occasional Dollie on a worm and I caught a couple on hair ears. Couple of years after the eruption, when the seven mile stretch below Lower Falls re-opened, the Dollies were all gone and there were Bull Trout in their place... ... At least according to the signage and regulations ...
 
Dolly Varden (Salvelinus malma) and Bull Trout (Salvelinus confluentus) are indeed distinct species. Prior to 1978, both were considered S. Malma but detailed taxonomic genetic studies demonstrated they were indeed distinct species. The Dolly’s range barely extends south into the U.S. at the Washington-Canada border while the Bulls southern range extends into OR, ID, MT, NV with isolated populations in N. CA. Morphologically they are extremely similar in appearance but are distinct genetically. Ironically, the once world record Dolly Varden (32# from Lake Pend Oreille, ID) became a world record bull trout. For a detailed explanation of the genetic differences and the details of the two ranges of Dollys and Bulls, see Trout and Salmon of North America (2002), Robert j. Behnke.
 
Executive summary is basically, if you’re in the Lower 48 or southern BC, the native char you encounter are probably bull trout. There are a few isolated exceptions, mostly in high elevation areas that were sort of glacial islands for a period of time.
As you move north, the native char are more likely Dolly Varden. Keep going and you’ll get into some Arctic char, too.
Folks used to call the Lower 48’s bull trout “dollies” because the molecular genetics tools had not yet been developed to distinguish the phenotypically very similar chars. But now we (think we) know better.
 
So, Sea Run Dollies only? No Sea Run bull trout??
According to Behnke (2002) Bull Trout indeed exhibit sea-run life strategies although it is not a common as Dolly Varden.
 
A pity, really. Dolly Varden is such a lyrical name for a beautiful fish. Too bad a very similar fish got a pedestrian name.
 
As explained in the bull trout articles on this site referred to by Matt B in post # 3 the Skagit bull trout show the sea-run/anadromous life history. In fact, the majority of the head resident bull trout in the basin are sea-run fish. Interestedly for Western Washington the Dolly Varden are confined to head water streams with no anadromous life history.

In my opinion our local bull trout (from a biological and fishing perspective) are one of our most interesting fish with complex life histories and a surprising number of older repeat spawners in the population. In the anadromous bull trout Skagit bull trout until recently more than half of the mature fish in spawning run being repeat spawners with some of the females may spawn 7 or 8 times and largest males even more. Those repeat spawners are especially important to the stability of the bull trout population. With the repeat spawners being significantly larger than the first-time spawners they represented the majority of the placed in the gravel. Once they reach maturity, they spawn annually again provided population stability.

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As explained in the bull trout articles on this site referred to by Matt B in post # 3 the Skagit bull trout show the sea-run/anadromous life history. In fact, the majority of the head resident bull trout in the basin are sea-run fish. Interestedly for Western Washington the Dolly Varden are confined to head water streams with no anadromous life history.

In my opinion our local bull trout (from a biological and fishing perspective) are one of our most interesting fish with complex life histories and a surprising number of older repeat spawners in the population. In the anadromous bull trout Skagit bull trout until recently more than half of the mature fish in spawning run being repeat spawners with some of the females may spawn 7 or 8 times and largest males even more. Those repeat spawners are especially important to the stability of the bull trout population. With the repeat spawners being significantly larger than the first-time spawners they represented the majority of the placed in the gravel. Once they reach maturity, they spawn annually again provided population stability.

Curt

So why can we only keep the big ones?
 
I was fortunate enough to be stationed in Great Falls, MT in the early 1970s and fish over Dollys (Bull trout) in the Flathead several times. At the time Bull Trout were held in severe contempt and most everyone who connected with one was encouraged to toss the fish on shore to rot. Considered a serious predator of other salmonids, the Bull Trout were not worth any protection. By the mid-1970s, I was stationed in Alaska where Dolly Varden were a very common catch. Like the distain the Bull Trout experienced in MT, Dollies had survived a 20 year period in the early 20th century where the State of Alaska had put a bounty on their heads. From 1921 to 1941 the state paid a 2.5 cent bounty on every Dolly turned into the local tax collector. Dolly tails were strung on wire hoops and 40 tails equaled $1 in bounty. Full 40 tail hoops were traded as currency for goods and services by folks who didn’t want to make it to a tax collector. Boy have times changed.
 
So why can we only keep the big ones?
Great question!

Prior to 1990 in Washington our native char (bull trout/Dolly Varden) were considered just another trout and were included as part of the "trout" limit for the water in which they were caught.

In the later part of the 1980s in the local north Puget Sound area there was an interested in whether our char were Dollies or bulls, what their basic biology was, and their status. My bull trout articles talk about some of the finds of that earlier interest. Out of that work there was some concern about their status. State had seen positive population response under regulation to protect resident trout and sea-run cutthroat that allowed the majority of the females to spawn at least once prior to being harvested. After looking at the growth rates of those "S" char it was determined that a 20-inch minimum size limit would accomplish that goal resulting in a regulation change in 1990s establishing a 20-inch minimum size limit and a 2 fish bag limit. This seemed to have been an important step in elevating the status of those native char to a full game fish status.

At that time there were lots of unanswered questions about our char and those regulation changes were "best guess" assessment of what the fish needed. To check those assessments. On the Skagit in 2001 and 2002 a number of bull trout were sample with total length recorded, scales taken, phenotype noted (fluvial or anadromous), and sex was noted. A total of 215 char were sample with their scales being read for total age, age and size at first spawning and subsequent spawning history, growth patterns etc. This provided some interesting information but germane to this discussion.

For the fluvial fish that 20-inch minimum size limit protected 98% of the first-time spawners and most of the second time spawners while for the anadromous 94% of the first-time spawners were protected and about 1/2 through their second spawn. It appeared that the 20-inch size limit was about right, but the real question was how the populations responded. For one of the Skagit tribs. there was 3 years of redd counts prior to the regulation change. That was compared to counts after a decade of the regulation change. Those counts increased more 25 times, I don't have to tell you how rare it has been to see that kind of population response in any of our anadromous salmonids.

You and I would probably agree on whether we should continue to harvest some bull trout but without that opportunity it is unlikely we would still be able to target them, even as a CnR fishery.

Curt
 
Great question!

Prior to 1990 in Washington our native char (bull trout/Dolly Varden) were considered just another trout and were included as part of the "trout" limit for the water in which they were caught.

In the later part of the 1980s in the local north Puget Sound area there was an interested in whether our char were Dollies or bulls, what their basic biology was, and their status. My bull trout articles talk about some of the finds of that earlier interest. Out of that work there was some concern about their status. State had seen positive population response under regulation to protect resident trout and sea-run cutthroat that allowed the majority of the females to spawn at least once prior to being harvested. After looking at the growth rates of those "S" char it was determined that a 20-inch minimum size limit would accomplish that goal resulting in a regulation change in 1990s establishing a 20-inch minimum size limit and a 2 fish bag limit. This seemed to have been an important step in elevating the status of those native char to a full game fish status.

At that time there were lots of unanswered questions about our char and those regulation changes were "best guess" assessment of what the fish needed. To check those assessments. On the Skagit in 2001 and 2002 a number of bull trout were sample with total length recorded, scales taken, phenotype noted (fluvial or anadromous), and sex was noted. A total of 215 char were sample with their scales being read for total age, age and size at first spawning and subsequent spawning history, growth patterns etc. This provided some interesting information but germane to this discussion.

For the fluvial fish that 20-inch minimum size limit protected 98% of the first-time spawners and most of the second time spawners while for the anadromous 94% of the first-time spawners were protected and about 1/2 through their second spawn. It appeared that the 20-inch size limit was about right, but the real question was how the populations responded. For one of the Skagit tribs. there was 3 years of redd counts prior to the regulation change. That was compared to counts after a decade of the regulation change. Those counts increased more 25 times, I don't have to tell you how rare it has been to see that kind of population response in any of our anadromous salmonids.

You and I would probably agree on whether we should continue to harvest some bull trout but without that opportunity it is unlikely we would still be able to target them, even as a CnR fishery.

Curt
Curt, would you mind diving into that last sentence a little further? Why must we have a kill fishery to justify a cnr fishery?
 
Curt, would you mind diving into that last sentence a little further? Why must we have a kill fishery to justify a cnr fishery?
I don't know whether a kill fishery is still necessary to have a CnR fishing targeting bull trout in say the Skagit. However, at the time of the ESA listing of those bull trout populations the likely default regulations for all bull trout/Dolly Varden would have been no targeting of them. The exception was regulations that were in place where it could be demonstrated that the bull trout were being threatened, that is the population was moving in the right direction. At the time of the listing (1999?) the feds agreed that the bull trout regulations met that requirement on the Skagit and Snohomish systems.

Now I know that many in the fly fishing community have no qualms about targeting closed season species in the name of a CnR fishery but I strongly disagree with that approach. As one who has enjoyed fishing for bull trout for decades and consider them to be a wonderful game fish I much prefer a fishery structure that specifically allows the targeting of them (whether a strict CnR fishery or otherwise). In such cases small details can be important.

One final thought it is my belief that without groups of advocates (fishers) for critters like bull trout and the waters in which they live we lose grass root support. This is primarily due to the lack of informed users to form that advocate base just does not have the passion to invest time in that resource's protection and recovery.

Curt
 
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