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Plenty of videos out there of captured Russians saying they aren't even professional soldiers. They just got called up for a training exercise and then suddenly they were sent in. So now you basically have people killing each other who don't even want to be fighting each other. Crazy...

It does show why they are so inept though. Between that and the shoddy equipment I think the world is getting a good look at just how weak the Russian army is. But he does have the nukes and I guess that's all he really needs.
 
It appears quite a few are getting enough news outside of state propaganda to spark the protests, but nothing will change as long as Putin is in charge. Did anyone else watch the ABC piece on him intimidating and bullying his own spy chief in front of his inner circle? That guy is also a stone cold killer, and Putin treated him like a 6 year old and had the man stammering at the microphone. Putin actually said "Are you suggesting we negotiate? Are you suggesting we recognize the sovereignty of the Republics?" Think about that. He basically said "are you saying we should recognize they are their own country with their own plans and future, and the we have no right to murder them and subjugate them under our communist yoke AGAIN?" The spy chief went on state TV later to publicly support the attack on Ukraine.

Nothing will change unless Putin is removed. And more Ukrainians are dying.

You have to really understand the hatred Putin has for Ukraine and its people to really "get" this. He understands how proud they are and he now understands how resolved they are to never go back under his rule. He thought it would be a cakewalk. He sees it isn't, so he's going to old school Siege Warfare to pummel them, kill as many Ukrainians as possible, break their will and destroy them forever.

There are millions of ethnic Ukrainians living throughout Russia, but most prominently in Siberia. This started involuntarily, when Russia would burn Ukrainian villages and put everyone on trains and dump them off in the middle of Siberia with basic tools. They'd be told "we stole your land and burned your home and village, but we spared you, build a new village here."

The thing is, they survived. And later on many Ukrainians volunteered to move to Siberia and joined up with the others. There are entire towns all over Siberia that are predominately Ukrainian now. Knowing Putin, when this is all over, if Russia does take Ukraine, he'll send his goon squads up there and murder every Ukrainian they find.
Good goddess I hope that doesn't happen, but it fits .
 
Plenty of videos out there of captured Russians saying they aren't even professional soldiers. They just got called up for a training exercise and then suddenly they were sent in. So now you basically have people killing each other who don't even want to be fighting each other. Crazy...

It does show why they are so inept though. Between that and the shoddy equipment I think the world is getting a good look at just how weak the Russian army is. But he does have the nukes and I guess that's all he really needs.
Yep, without the nukes he'd be nothing and this would've been over 5 minutes after it started, or probably before it started.
 
My wife and I support the World Central Kitchen started by chef Jose Andres…they are currently at the border of Poland & Ukraine feeding thousands of refugees fleeing Ukraine…food for thought if you are compelled to help in some way…
Brute, thanks for the info. I just donated and dedicated my donation to my Ukrainian great grandfather. If it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be sitting in my home sipping coffee and able to talk openly about this atrocity. I remind myself every day how lucky I am he decided to make that perilous journey.
 
OH, SLAP!!!



I wondered how or when this would come up.

Go Kenya!!


This is a good video, but I think the sentimental factors of what's going on in Ukraine are being overstated.

I think Putin's primary motivation, by far, is that he doesn't want a bordering NATO member. There's some parallels to the Cuban missile crisis, in my opinion.
 
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This is a good video, but I think the sentimental factors of what's going on in Ukraine are being overstated.

I think Putin's primary motivation, by far, is that he doesn't want a bordering NATO member. There's some parallels to the Cuban missile crisis, in my opinion.
Ok. I thought it was impactful because so many African states have been recipients of Russian /Soviet "foreign aid" and influence over the years
 
Have to say that I am a bit ashamed and embarrassed to admit my lack of knowledge and understanding of the countries, demographics, history and complicated political realities of Eastern Europe prior to Putin's invasion of Ukraine. This ignorance has been replaced by utmost admiration for the courage and complete dedication to identity shown by the citizens of Ukraine and Ukrainians worldwide. I am in awe of their strength of character and conviction. In addition to that the support of their neighbors is inspirational. How does the world thank the people of Poland for welcoming better than a half of a million Ukrainian women and children with a hot bowl of soup, a warm and safe place to sleep and toys for the youngest refugees? I only wish that we could somehow show the same humility, strength and grace under pressure should we ever find ourselves in a similar scenario. God bless those folks and may this nightmare please end for them.
 
@albula ,
I think there's a lot of lessons like that to be relearned here in our own country.
I dont think Team Rubicon or Doctors Without Borders have mobilized to help, yet . In Fact, I dont think Team Rubicon is charted for war time relief, just natural disasters.
For those willing, it might be time to look at where, or whom with , you could join to lend a hand.
 
RT TV has suspended US operations...
So there's one less Russian propaganda outlet here to spout bullshit lies.
:)
 
I just popped over to WFF to check out the posts on this same topic over there.

Holy Jeebus what a shit show. The insults, name calling and political D vs R, Biden Vs Trump, Trump+Putin bullshit started immediately.

Thanks for starting this site you dudes. If this thread proves anything, it's that we can talk about a very emotional topic without resorting to that childish crap. In fact, I may be the only person who had a post removed from this thread as a personal attack! :ROFLMAO:
 
I just popped over to WFF to check out the posts on this same topic over there.

Holy Jeebus what a shit show. The insults, name calling and political D vs R, Biden Vs Trump, Trump+Putin bullshit started immediately.

Thanks for starting this site you dudes. If this thread proves anything, it's that we can talk about a very emotional topic without resorting to that childish crap. In fact, I may be the only person who had a post removed from this thread as a personal attack! :ROFLMAO:

Yup, I've seen it also, pretty repulsive - congrats to all here who have contributed to this thread, providing information, some insightful commentary, and keeping it civil.

cheers
 
We all know Ukraine will never be the same. I wonder what will be left...

Over 1 million people have left the Ukraine as refugees and that is just in the first week. Lots more to follow. I was listening to an expert on TV and they said only about 30% will ever return. What will they return to? Infrastructure destroyed, house destroyed, economy trashed, job is gone, struggle to be able to eat. It will take years to rebuild. In that time the refugees will have a new home, new job, new roots, new friends, etc. No wonder why so many do not go back...
 
I just popped over to WFF to check out the posts on this same topic over there.

Holy Jeebus what a shit show. The insults, name calling and political D vs R, Biden Vs Trump, Trump+Putin bullshit started immediately.

Thanks for starting this site you dudes. If this thread proves anything, it's that we can talk about a very emotional topic without resorting to that childish crap. In fact, I may be the only person who had a post removed from this thread as a personal attack! :ROFLMAO:
I'm not going to read it, but I'll assume it was like the 'dark side' and so don't need to read anymore of that stuff.

:ROFLMAO:
 
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