SFR Malicious Compliance: City laws say boats must be stored behind a fence...

[Rob Allen]

The world changes, friend. A line drawn for horses isn't going to help with cars. A line drawn for letterpress isn't going to help with the internet. A line drawn for raising a few pigs on your farm isn't going to help with an industrial hog slaughterhouse.

We have inherited an agreement that we are mandated to live by, changes in the world is supposed to have no affect on that agreement but it does and that is wrong.

Your neighbor doesn't like your boat in your yard tought cookies to him. That is the agreement of 1776. The further we get from that the worse society gets.

 

[Mossback]

An interesting one I've always thought needed more proverbial lines drawn: Neighbor has giant tree that is leaning in your house's direction. The next ice storm could send that baby in to the dirt (the dirt below your house). Neighbor doesn't care. What do?

Lol

I have dealt with this dozens of times over the years in business.
The neighbor has to be made aware of the danger, or the danger needs to be pointed out to them with professional assessment to be found liable in some cases.

If after a friendly casual conversation re: the tree goes nowhere...

What we did, was first write a letter pointing out the issue, and suggesting an arborist assess the tree. If no response, a second letter after offering to have an arborist assess, and write a report.
If no response, suggest having the arborist assess at expense of you, not them.
If no response, have arborist assess (if possible) from your property, not always possible, but in some cases of disease/decline this can be done.
If it can be done from your property, send arborist report to offending tree owner.
They are now informed of a hazard, and should the tree fall and damage your fence, house garden etc., you will have a good case to recover damages.
They can also solicit a different arborist, who may agree or not with your arborist report.

Arborist wars...
Seen this, it is an actual thing.


Generally, the hazardous tree owner needs to be made aware with a professional assessment that his tree poses a hazard to neighboring properties or structures, and once notified and no action taken (negligence), will be found liable for damages in most cases.


ISA Certified Arborist is who to use, not a tree guy, certified mail is how to send, not regular.

 

[charles sullivan]

Except you don't understand how far I believe property rights should extend. But I would suggest that according to the law of the land should be more permissive than prohibitive.

I have some understanding. You said ," Yes. Because it's none of my business I have no right to an opinion about them and their property." So I take you at your word.
I would contend that the First Amendment grants you the right to opine about your neighbors property and even your neighbors.

 

[Evan B]

I would contend that the First Amendment grants you the right to opine about your neighbors property and even your neighbors.

My neighbor behind me I don't like much likes to pull his Harley out at all hours of the day/night just to start it and rev the engine for 5-10mins and put it back. Woke me up at early morning/midnight hours a few times. I don't like him much.

 

[krusty]

My neighbor behind me I don't like much likes to pull his Harley out at all hours of the day/night just to start it and rev the engine for 5-10mins and put it back. Woke me up at early morning/midnight hours a few times. I don't like him much.

Well...unless your neighbor is an outlier...you've got the steadily declining age demographic of the average Harley owner going for you.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

I am opening a toxic waste disposal site on my property. That and a 24 hour a day car crushing service.

After all, it's mine.

The neighbors are super pissed, but I told them Rob said it was OK, and they are not entitled to an opinion.

Do you have a ball joint for an 83 ford pickup?

 

[Dustin Chromers]

An interesting one I've always thought needed more proverbial lines drawn: Neighbor has giant tree that is leaning in your house's direction. The next ice storm could send that baby in to the dirt (the dirt below your house). Neighbor doesn't care. What do?

I had four such trees and took them down. They would've fallen on one of three houses, with a 33% chance of it being mine. Glad we did because we've since had two ice storms that took down a LOT of trees nearby, several of which went in to houses.

But yeah: Neighbor is doing whatever he wants with his property, and negligence puts your property at potential risk. What's the solution?

Hire a certified arborist. If he sees them as hazard trees a letter can be sent and the legal ball begins rolling. You have recourse. Definitely speak with your neighbour about them first. He may feel the same as you do and be into downing them as well.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

My neighbor behind me I don't like much likes to pull his Harley out at all hours of the day/night just to start it and rev the engine for 5-10mins and put it back. Woke me up at early morning/midnight hours a few times. I don't like him much.

I love motorcycles. Harleys I don't like. I mean the legit actual old ones are cool as a matter of history and their place in Americana but the newish ones are deplorable. They convert gasoline into noise, nothing more. Not to mention they tend to lower the IQ of anyone breathing the fumes and hearing the patented "po ta to, po ta to" report from an inferior cheap crank design. I could go on forever about the design flaws and Chinese parts on these machines. Harley is now a clothing company that makes bikes kinda. Harley is the Filson of motorcycles. Yep I said it.

 

[Rob Allen]

My neighbor behind me I don't like much likes to pull his Harley out at all hours of the day/night just to start it and rev the engine for 5-10mins and put it back. Woke me up at early morning/midnight hours a few times. I don't like him much.

When I lived down in a southern oregon trailer park my neighbor was a Jerry Garcia look alike with a yellow van with murals on the sides and back. He liked listening to ACDC loud until 2am. I learned to sleep through it. Had it been Taylor Swift. I'd probably have done something about it

 

[Brian Miller]

property values are not protected rights.. property is.

Rob, you must know that a nuisance property can make adjacent properties less attractive to potential buyers and thus devaluating the neighboring properties and harms them in a very practical sense. It's a complex issue. I don't agree that nuisance laws need to be created in the extreme, but there should be rules or laws that meet a community standard. And members of the community should have a say in them in some form of representative way, like the Federalist Papers, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution lay out.

HOA’s are right up there with Ebola on the list of things that I haven’t yet had to deal with and hope to keep it that way.

I live in a relatively small development numbers-wise that is large in size due to 1 acre parcels. Prior to development in the early 1980s the lots varied from prairie-meadow to heavily wooded and the ground has small rises and dips. We moved into one of the last properties sold. It is heavily wooded with native underbrush, fully fenced, and has small front and back lawns. The heavily wooded parcel behind us is 5 acres. Honestly as I get older it's getting tougher for me to maintain it like I have through the years and thus more expensive. We know our tenure here is gradually coming to an end. Time to start downsizing our "stuff".

We have a split level house but with a 5 ft wooden fence on one side we literally cannot see see into any neighboring properties at ground level. The HOA created by the developer never really took off within the community, and the developer went OOB. So while the deeds state there is an HOA and there are written covenants filed with the county, in a practical they aren't being enforced. Even one of the most "stringent" of the owners favoring the written covenants has violated the setback for a detached garage.

Our neighbor on the western privacy fence side has fewer trees than we do. Their daughter is in 4H. They have sheep and goats, plus chickens, and 3 dogs that are thankfully generally quiet. We can see into their lot from our 2nd story. The sheep and goats have basically consumed all of the grass and underbrush, and much of their open area gets muddy in winter. With prevailing winds, sometimes we can smell the "farm". But we don't find it overly annoying and it's kind of amusing when the sheep walk around grazing with chickens perched on them. But they are aware and do maintain it. They have shown their appreciation by giving us about 10lbs of butchered lamb every year.

The "stringent" neighbor who lives a few lots down complained when the "farmers" put compost mulch on their front lawn because of the smell when she was out walking to our neighbors and the other neighbors in an effort to enforce the "livestock restriction". The other neighbors didn't care but our neighbors removed it.

Hopefully when there are conflicts, people can care enough about each other to compromise.

...had four such trees and took them down. They would've fallen on one of three houses, with a 33% chance of it being mine. Glad we did because we've since had two ice storms that took down a LOT of trees nearby, several of which went in to houses.

Over the years we've paid to have trees safely taken down that could have damaged our neighbors' houses. No problem, I've got over 30 more .

 

[Evan B]

When I lived down in a southern oregon trailer park my neighbor was a Jerry Garcia look alike with a yellow van with murals on the sides and back. He liked listening to ACDC loud until 2am. I learned to sleep through it. Had it been Taylor Swift. I'd probably have done something about it

My problem is I'm a VERY light sleeper. My phone on vibrate can wake me up from across the room. I have to use white noise machines to filter out any sudden noises the best I can. When I travel, I don't really sleep much unless I can pack one of those with me. Between tinnitus and the light sleeper problem, sleep is something I desperately try to get as much as I can.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

My problem is I'm a VERY light sleeper. My phone on vibrate can wake me up from across the room. I have to use white noise machines to filter out any sudden noises the best I can. When I travel, I don't really sleep much unless I can pack one of those with me. Between tinnitus and the light sleeper problem, sleep is something I desperately try to get as much as I can.

Drink harder before bed.

 

[Brian Miller]

Hire a certified arborist. If he sees them as hazard trees a letter can be sent and the legal ball begins rolling. You have recourse. Definitely speak with your neighbour about them first. He may feel the same as you do and be into downing them as well.

Safely removing trees can get expensive. You might even offer to help with the cost and they will know that you have a reason to be deeply concerned, might decline the help, but take them down. A little goodwill can go a long ways.

 

[Josh]

My neighbor behind me I don't like much likes to pull his Harley out at all hours of the day/night just to start it and rev the engine for 5-10mins and put it back. Woke me up at early morning/midnight hours a few times. I don't like him much.

Hahahaha, oh it's THAT dude. Doesn't surprise me after seeing him. He's exactly what everyone thinks of when they think of a tryhard harley owner.

 

[Evan B]

Hahahaha, oh it's THAT dude. Doesn't surprise me after seeing him. He's exactly what everyone thinks of when they think of a tryhard harley owner.

Yup. 100% does it for the attention because he think it makes him look super hard core and cool. And yeah, he's exactly what everyone is imagining. Has the leathers and all.

 

[Wade Rivers]

Yes I agree but property values are not protected rights.. property is. There are no saftey issues created by non running cars or boats being stored on private property.


I should be able to grow peanut trees on my property regardless of my neighbors allergies.

The boat in a driveway is a pretty tame example. i think boats in driveways should be allowed in just about any situation.

I think their point is more that there are indeed things that neighbors can do within the confines of their property that negatively impact their neighbors' lives in one way or another: Property value, general nuissance, safety, etc. The argument is that there is a line to be drawn somewhere between "boat in driveway" and "creating toxic pollutants that leech in to neighboring properties."

/rant I think every homeowner in Oregon should be required by law to have a driftboat in their driveway. If you can't row the Big D, move to Seattle! /endrant

 

[Evan B]

/rant I think every homeowner in Oregon should be required by law to have a driftboat in their driveway. If you can't row the Big D, move to Seattle! /endrant

I have two boats and neither is a drift boat

But I can row the upper Sandy, which is Harley rider levels of hard core.

 

[Dustin Chromers]

Yup. 100% does it for the attention because he think it makes him look super hard core and cool. And yeah, he's exactly what everyone is imagining. Has the leathers and all.

I've encountered very few Harley riders that could actually ride with a solid skillset. Most are all costume and chrome with very little skill. In their defense it's pretty hard to develop skills on a large slow moving bike riding streets only. To really understand a motorcycle and how it works you need to ride off-road as well as on the road.

 

[krusty]

Well...unless your neighbor is an outlier...you've got the steadily declining age demographic of the average Harley owner going for you.

It's a lot like the rapidly aging and declining demographic of flyfishers....and hunters.

 

[Evan B]

I've encountered very few Harley riders that could actually ride with a solid skillset. Most are all costume and chrome with very little skill. In their defense it's pretty hard to develop skills on a large slow moving bike riding streets only. To really understand a motorcycle and how it works you need to ride off-road as well as on the road.

When I lived in Florida, I had a Star (Yamaha) 1100. Really enjoyed that bike a ton. But I did grow up racing motocross and spending my non-fishing time tearing up the Moses Lake Sand dunes on the bike. So I can throw down, as they say.