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Somehow a town with the name "Seaside, California" has a law (not an HOA rule, but an actual law) that boats must be stored behind a fence on your property. Yes, that means you can't park your very own boat in your very own driveway. The city was hassling one resident to stop doing just that. And while he complied, he did so in a very wonderfully malicious way.

He built the required fence, then had a friend paint a photorealistic painting of the boat on the fence. It even lines up properly with the tower of the boat that is sitting behind it.

This guy seems pretty awesome.

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You know what I hate? Stupid, arbitrary aesthetic rules in communities about things like what color things need to be painted or how garage doors can’t be open or what vehicles can be parked in a driveway. They’re ridiculous. Like the rule that Seaside, California has about how boats must be...
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albula said:
Got a lot of crap boats, travel trailers and junk vehicles sitting around here that should be behind a fence.
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Some of the reason why the law behind the fence or gate. City next to ours , has that law , not sure how much they push it . I’ve never paid much attention.
 
what if the fence was installed at the end of the driveway?
good? bad?
 
Salmo_g said:
There could very well be a setback requirement. Or not; there are lots of front yards with white picket fences around them.
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Most local zoning codes allow shorter fences in the setback. As long as the fence is not so tall as to obstruct the view leaving he property onto the tright of way, they are usually allowed.
I am amazed at how many people block their own view while entering the road from their property with vegetation or fences. A 4 ft fence like a picket fence does not generally obstruct your vision.

I have had up to 3 non-working boats on my property in the city. I pride myself on being he most redneck. I will tell you that a dog behind a fence and at least one non-working vehicle or boat is a fine deterant against theft. No one thinks that you have anything to steal. The dog is probably the better deterant though in all honesty.
 
Rob Allen said:
What other people do on their own property is their business not mine.
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That was predictable. And if their slovenly approach to the appearance and maintenance of their property negatively affects the value of the one you worked so hard to own I'm sure you are also good with that.
 
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albula said:
That was predictable. And if their slovenly approach to the appearance and maintenance of their property negatively affects the value of the one you worked so hard to own I'm sure you are also good with that.
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Yes. Because it's none of my business I have no right to an opinion about them and their property.
 
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We live in the neighborhood in our now super-gentrified town where you have at least one vehicle in your yard that is non operable. A guy had a ford ranger that was missing the engine and other parts, parked at the edge of the street. I’m guessing someone called the town and complained. So the guy lowered the gate and screwed a mailbox to it. There… an artistic mailbox stand, just like all the other ones made out of skis, bike frames, old wheels, sculptures, etc!
 
Rob Allen said:
Yes. Because it's none of my business I have no right to an opinion about them and their property.
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Hi @Rob Allen thanks for sharing your .02; If you don’t mind, I want to better understand your perspective.

You indicated that it is none of your business if your neighbor were to do something on or to their property that had a negative impact on yours. Most folks with libertarian leanings would say they don’t care what people do in their own homes so long as it doesn’t hurt or negatively impact others…but they still draw a line that if their individual freedoms or well being are impacted by others actions, they still feel within their rights to say “nope” or to lean into the issue.

To take your example and apply to fishing, it would suggest that you would be good with it if you owned some nice riverfront property, and your neighbor upstream opted to start discharging raw sewage into the river on their parcel (impacting your property value and the fishing, as you are downstream). Is that really how you feel - do you still feel you have no right to an opinion or to speak up about your property and the impact their actions are having on you?
 
Bugmeister said:
Hi @Rob Allen thanks for sharing your .02; If you don’t mind, I want to better understand your perspective.

You indicated that it is none of your business if your neighbor were to do something on or to their property that had a negative impact on yours. Most folks with libertarian leanings would say they don’t care what people do in their own homes so long as it doesn’t hurt or negatively impact others…but they still draw a line that if their individual freedoms or well being are impacted by others actions, they still feel within their rights to say “nope” or to lean into the issue.

To take your example and apply to fishing, it would suggest that you would be good with it if you owned some nice riverfront property, and your neighbor upstream opted to start discharging raw sewage into the river on their parcel (impacting your property value and the fishing, as you are downstream). Is that really how you feel - do you still feel you have no right to an opinion or to speak up about your property and the impact their actions are having on you?
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Or just dumped thier trash in the back yard for 20 years and was a biohazard from the million rats that infest the neighborhood because of your neighbor, still dont care?
 
Bugmeister said:
Hi @Rob Allen thanks for sharing your .02; If you don’t mind, I want to better understand your perspective.

You indicated that it is none of your business if your neighbor were to do something on or to their property that had a negative impact on yours. Most folks with libertarian leanings would say they don’t care what people do in their own homes so long as it doesn’t hurt or negatively impact others…but they still draw a line that if their individual freedoms or well being are impacted by others actions, they still feel within their rights to say “nope” or to lean into the issue.

To take your example and apply to fishing, it would suggest that you would be good with it if you owned some nice riverfront property, and your neighbor upstream opted to start discharging raw sewage into the river on their parcel (impacting your property value and the fishing, as you are downstream). Is that really how you feel - do you still feel you have no right to an opinion or to speak up about your property and the impact their actions are having on you?
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They do not own the river, it is a shared resource and therefore it is my business. A boat in someone's driveway is on their own property and wether I like it or not is irrelevant.
 
Paige said:
Or just dumped thier trash in the back yard for 20 years and was a biohazard from the million rats that infest the neighborhood because of your neighbor, still dont care?
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Why jump to extremes? We're talking about a guy and his boat..
 
Paige said:
Or just dumped thier trash in the back yard for 20 years and was a biohazard from the million rats that infest the neighborhood because of your neighbor, still dont care?
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That was happening out my way. The place miraculously burned down when nobody was there. It's a mystery. I think it was electrical with all those tweaker extension cords running around for the chop shop they had going. All the neighbours with big time sad. The local cats have remarked several times that the hunting has really suffered.
 
The boat in a driveway is a pretty tame example. i think boats in driveways should be allowed in just about any situation.

I think their point is more that there are indeed things that neighbors can do within the confines of their property that negatively impact their neighbors' lives in one way or another: Property value, general nuissance, safety, etc. The argument is that there is a line to be drawn somewhere between "boat in driveway" and "creating toxic pollutants that leech in to neighboring properties."

Rob Allen said:
Why jump to extremes? We're talking about a guy and his boat..
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Evan B said:
The boat in a driveway is a pretty tame example. i think boats in driveways should be allowed in just about any situation.

I think their point is more that there are indeed things that neighbors can do within the confines of their property that negatively impact their neighbors' lives in one way or another: Property value, general nuissance, safety, etc. The argument is that there is a line to be drawn somewhere between "boat in driveway" and "creating toxic pollutants that leech in to neighboring properties."
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Yes I agree but property values are not protected rights.. property is. There are no saftey issues created by non running cars or boats being stored on private property.


I should be able to grow peanut trees on my property regardless of my neighbors allergies.
 
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