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Evan B said:
Pfriem Pilsner, Pfriem Helles, Living Haus Helles... I like my German style lagers.
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That pfriem pilsner is top 5 for me. I really like most of their brews.

I had a Kolsch style from Tracy, CA the other day that was sooo good, don't remember the brewery though.
Edit: the brewery is called Morgan Territory. Had it on tap at a restaurant in Elk Grove.
 
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charles sullivan said:
fav beers in no particular order:

Vitamin R
Manny's Pale Ale
Deschutes Twilight
Chuckanut Pilsner
Pilsner Urquel
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

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I agree with Evan on the bubblegum country. It's difficult for me to listen to. It does not resonate with me in the same way that boneless skinless chicken breast is my least favorite type of chicken.

Best newer bands:

There is a song in my head every waking moment. My mind has been playing Goose on a loop for almost 3 years. I enjoy improvisational music but not exclusively. Goose has taken up shop and been playing the song in my head like no other jam band since the Dead/ JGB had their run when my kids were little.

There does seem to be some good country music to be found if you look as well. The genre seems to lend itself to fantastic songwriting. Waylon filled my brain for a few years with Willie. It would be great top have another run of country.
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Goat and KGLW, best new bands by a long shot.
 
I've seen somewhere between 75 and 100 live shows in my life, ranging from death metal to Reba to Charlie Daniels to Blue Oyster Cult and many, many more. Kid Rock was without a doubt the worst performance I've ever witnessed. Took my wife to see Aerosmith at the Tacoma Dome like 20 years ago and he opened. It was painful to watch and listen to.

I'm with Evan on bubblegum pop country. Absolutely terrible. I have nothing against good country music, even if it isn't my style, but I simply cannot tolerate that garbage.

And U2 may just be the most overrated band on the planet. They were awful 30 years ago and they haven't gotten any better. I'll never understand the appeal of that band. I've seen Def Leppard twice and while not my favorite band in the world by any stretch I'd see them 7 days a week over U2 if given the option
 
Which one is U2 and which one is Def Leppard?
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Evan B said:
One of our main rules here is staying away from culture war topics. No matter how good the threads start out, it always derails. We'll let it go for now but may lock it at the first signs of trouble. Just not worth the inevitable headache for us.
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Credit where credit is due: We kept the thread about good beer and shitty music, which is a far better outcome than anticipated. Well done, friends :D
 
DoesItFloat said:
Goat and KGLW, best new bands by a long shot.
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Goat?

I have not made the KGLW dive as of yet. Honestly, it's not really my choice. I will hear them at some point and if my brain puts them on repeat after that then they get a run.
 
charles sullivan said:
fav beers in no particular order:

Vitamin R
Manny's Pale Ale
Deschutes Twilight
Chuckanut Pilsner
Pilsner Urquel
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

Other topics:
I agree with Evan on the bubblegum country. It's difficult for me to listen to. It does not resonate with me in the same way that boneless skinless chicken breast is my least favorite type of chicken.

Best newer bands:

There is a song in my head every waking moment. My mind has been playing Goose on a loop for almost 3 years. I enjoy improvisational music but not exclusively. Goose has taken up shop and been playing the song in my head like no other jam band since the Dead/ JGB had their run when my kids were little.

There does seem to be some good country music to be found if you look as well. The genre seems to lend itself to fantastic songwriting. Waylon filled my brain for a few years with Willie. It would be great top have another run of country.
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You mean listening to songs about driving a tractor from a guy in a private jet doesn't resonate? Modern country is white people rap. Completely inauthentic, talentless, and more about an image than anything else. Wanna break into pop music? Start with your shitty country stuff. Those crackers will accept anything if you mention Jesus, tractors, a dirt road, and a beat up truck. Then you can pivot into pop, the other shit genere.
 
DoesItFloat said:
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Thank you. I like the energy.

I caught that beat pretty quick. I often joke that there should be a 2 drummer minimum for any music. They hit that mark!

Lot's of recognizable sounds so far from Jane's addiction to sabbath.

The KGLW deal may be next. For some reason, I have not made the effort.
 
DoesItFloat said:
Oh man, it appears you have a very good taste in beers. You should try some Working Hands out of Hood River........
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I just might look that up if I get the chance.

Most of that list was copied from what we served at our wedding. The goal then was to sample and display the local beers, wines and ciders from the region, stretching from the Canadian border over to Idaho and down to the southern Oregon borders.

I think we did a fairly good job of it. In the process, wife and i learned just how great the regional brewers and vintners really are. Which is actually darn good.

The majority of our guests came from Illinois, Georgia, Texas, Utah Nevada, and a couple other places. We even had friends from Australia, England and Scotland, who pretty much cleared out the stouts and porters we had. Everyone found a favorite made 'round here and some even found new ones.
 
I know nothing about country music as I always turn it off or change the station the second I hear it. In fact, it has long been on my list of 3 social don'ts that you don't do in public:
1. Pick your nose
2. Masturbate
3. Listen to country music
But there is a reason. When I was just getting into junior high my parents moved me from the north to a tiny town in Appalachia where they were still bitter about the civil war. They were hard as hell on a skinny little kid from the north insulting and beating me with regularity. And they played all of that shit hillbilly music, the theme of which was: 'My Baby Done Me Wrong" or Baby left me for another man. Never once with an admission that that they were probably an asshole to begin with. Over the years I just associated the music with ignorant losers and haven't heard any of it in over 60 years.

But in my college days we would visit a roadhouse near Fresno where they played some authentic blues in sharp contrast to the formulaic rock and roll crap of the day. The owner was said to be an ex felon that was a big rough dude that picked and sang as I recall and the music was without gimmicks. Rumor had it that some guy at the bar gave him a ration of shit one night and he jerked the guy across the bar and beat him to death. It was a rough place but the music was the real thing.

Fast forward to this week and friends are coming on Friday that have been in a Bluegrass band for years. They play and sing great old standards and do it beautifully having given me a concert here in the forest 2 years ago. On Saturday they will be doing it again and I wish my other friends could be here to hear it. It is as close as I will ever get to country music and it is damned good.

After they left (my first exposure to Bluegrass) I tried listening to some on TV and the radio but came away thinking that much of it sounded contrived and phony with way too much twang for my taste. I'm convinced that you don't have to sound like an ignorant hillbilly to sing good country/western/Bluegrass music. But what the hell do I know, I have heard hardly any of it since I left Appalachia in 1956.
 
I spent 5 years in my childhood listening to Appalachian blue grass in Alabama and especially in Tennessee. It still holds a special place in my heart. It is real, emotional, clear in message, authentic, and just flat out a joy to listen to.

Side note. I too was a skinny white boy from the North that did not fit in and had my share of issues. Right in the middle of MLK times and civil rights.
 
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I'm with DC on the production line commercial pop scene, including the country-tinged variant.

However, while it's not my genre of choice, there is nothing wrong and a lot right with the more traditional country music of the US, be it the Scotts/Irish influence of the Appalachian hill country or the Latin-influenced western standards. Same for the Jazz, Blues, Rock in all it's derivative forms, and Hip Hop. The US influence on modern music is pretty amazing and something we should celebrate regardless of whether its permutations are on our personal playlists.

If you're into podcasts, there is a good Revisionist History episode on "why country music makes you cry and rock doesn't".

The King of Tears | Revisionist History

Why country music makes you cry, and rock and roll doesn’t: A musical interpretation of divided America.
www.pushkin.fm www.pushkin.fm

And for whoever it was above that referred to Skynrd as a "hair band" in the same sentence as Def Lepperd... WTF? Not sure I can giver you three steps on that one...
 
iveofione said:
I know nothing about country music as I always turn it off or change the station the second I hear it. In fact, it has long been on my list of 3 social don'ts that you don't do in public:
1. Pick your nose
2. Masturbate
3. Listen to country music
But there is a reason. When I was just getting into junior high my parents moved me from the north to a tiny town in Appalachia where they were still bitter about the civil war. They were hard as hell on a skinny little kid from the north insulting and beating me with regularity. And they played all of that shit hillbilly music, the theme of which was: 'My Baby Done Me Wrong" or Baby left me for another man. Never once with an admission that that they were probably an asshole to begin with. Over the years I just associated the music with ignorant losers and haven't heard any of it in over 60 years.

But in my college days we would visit a roadhouse near Fresno where they played some authentic blues in sharp contrast to the formulaic rock and roll crap of the day. The owner was said to be an ex felon that was a big rough dude that picked and sang as I recall and the music was without gimmicks. Rumor had it that some guy at the bar gave him a ration of shit one night and he jerked the guy across the bar and beat him to death. It was a rough place but the music was the real thing.

Fast forward to this week and friends are coming on Friday that have been in a Bluegrass band for years. They play and sing great old standards and do it beautifully having given me a concert here in the forest 2 years ago. On Saturday they will be doing it again and I wish my other friends could be here to hear it. It is as close as I will ever get to country music and it is damned good.

After they left (my first exposure to Bluegrass) I tried listening to some on TV and the radio but came away thinking that much of it sounded contrived and phony with way too much twang for my taste. I'm convinced that you don't have to sound like an ignorant hillbilly to sing good country/western/Bluegrass music. But what the hell do I know, I have heard hardly any of it since I left Appalachia in 1956.
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I’m glad you found music you like…
 
Good read on the changing Nashville scene:
www.newyorker.com

Country Music’s Culture Wars and the Remaking of Nashville

Tennessee’s government has turned hard red, but a new set of outlaw songwriters is challenging Music City’s conservative ways—and ruling bro-country sound.
www.newyorker.com www.newyorker.com
”I walk and talk like a field hand / But the boots I’m wearing cost three grand / I write songs about driving tractors / From the comfort of a private jet.”
 
wanderingrichard said:
I just might look that up if I get the chance.

Most of that list was copied from what we served at our wedding. The goal then was to sample and display the local beers, wines and ciders from the region, stretching from the Canadian border over to Idaho and down to the southern Oregon borders.

I think we did a fairly good job of it. In the process, wife and i learned just how great the regional brewers and vintners really are. Which is actually darn good.

The majority of our guests came from Illinois, Georgia, Texas, Utah Nevada, and a couple other places. We even had friends from Australia, England and Scotland, who pretty much cleared out the stouts and porters we had. Everyone found a favorite made 'round here and some even found new ones.
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We just catered a rehearsal dinner at my place, and a lot of the guests were from Texas and the east coast. It was fun watching their astonishment and answering their questions. "What the hell is a Schwarzbier?" "What makes it a "cold" IPA?" "Why does the head on my Helles take up half the glass?" I at least got to sound smart for a little while. :LOL:
 
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