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Actually if you read it carefully it says that killing wolves has done little to solve the problem.
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Coach Potter
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I’m still waiting for someone to explain how nature is, measurably or noticeably improved by wolves returning. I like the idea of them being around but I don’t know that that means anything has improved other than that.
Right. Because we haven't killed enough.
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My layman's understanding is that wolves keep prey herds healthy by culling the weak and slow, so that the strong and fast have more offspring.
The normally discussed evidence is what has been going on in yellowstone:
Wolf Reintroduction Changes Ecosystem in Yellowstone
Wolves are causing a trophic cascade of ecological change, including helping to increase beaver populations and bring back aspen, and vegetation.
Dustin Chromers
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I wish there was a predator that did the same to people. The least qualified trend to have the most kids. Meanwhile the qualified wait till it's too late. A Jurassic park type program that would reintroduce the t rex in America would do wonders to reverse the devolution and the the least fit having their litters of subsidized offspring who are by decent slow and dumb as well. Then you add in the fact people would put down their phones and pay attention while being actively hunted by Cretaceous monsters. Population drops, climate change reverses, and survival of the fittest is restored. How is this not a plan?
Coach Potter
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Old406Kid
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I sure wish George Carlin was still around to give his opinion on this.
I sure wish George Carlin was still around to give his opinion on this.
We don’t need him, Mike Judge already did it so we’ll…
fatbillybob
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Wolves were mostly eradicated prior to the 1930's I think and only remained in numbers in the upper mid-west. The yellowstone re-introduction was around 1995 and in less than 30 years these wolves have naturally made it all the way down to SoCal.. So considering the potential issue that got them eradicated the first time why should there be any additional re-introductions of the wolf when they seem to be doing just fine by themselves? Maybe "we" should stop tampering and leave nature be?
I'm fine with wolves, having encountered them 'up close and personal' in Alaska and the Yukon Territory. They pose no significant threat to humans.
I believe that if we made losses for livestock loss compensation rapid, equitable and requiring a less onerous application process we'd find impacted rural communities far more supportive of wolf population protection.
I believe that if we made losses for livestock loss compensation rapid, equitable and requiring a less onerous application process we'd find impacted rural communities far more supportive of wolf population protection.
Dustin Chromers
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T rex populations will be managed based on county populations. The trick is keeping the county rex in its respective county. Obviously some more populous counties with less survival oriented humans will attract more attention. Yet we feel once the kill rate weeds out the slow, stupid, and inattentive the rex population will naturally balance and human attention to survival will regain the path of survival of the fittest. I mean is this not what we are talking about. The over grazing problem is a human problem as well. Just think of the new purpose that the homeless drug addicted population will have when actively hunted by an apex predator. They will no longer occupy open park spaces and shit it up as the Rex hunts there where it's size is an advantage. And drugs? There is no drug like life and death being so intimately perceived. A little bit of near death makes everyone thankful for life and probably more willing to put the glass pipe down. Parks will recover. Sidewalks will be clean. Crime will go down. Lenient judges will be replaced by the ultimate judge, the county Rex. He cares not of your record, your sobriety, your family name. He only cares for the calories you might provide. Judge, jury, and executioner in the most unbiased primal sense. I think it's beautiful. Just like wolves doing what they do. I'm starting a rex advocacy group.I sure wish George Carlin was still around to give his opinion on this.
Pink Nighty
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That's been one of my frustrations with WWF and the more zealous of wolf advocates. They've chosen the route of litigation and bureaucracy and put ranchers in a difficult position. Gotta have flaggers, ranch riders, audio deterrents and more in place, and then you get to kill the wolf. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper, and leave the ranchers indifferent to the wolves, if the people who wanted the wolves there would just compensate them for what the wolves killed.
It boils down to "wolves for thee and not for me" coming from dense population centers where wolves will never exist. They want money spent relocating wolves to someplace else, money spent protecting them, money spent monitoring them. If they were willing to compensate for the damage wolves do, they may find the wolves need much less protection from people.
I spend a lot of time in Stevens county. People there don't just hate wolves. Most ive talked to think they're awesome, but are also losing their pets and are afraid to let their kids out at times. They're dealing with the actual repercussions of wolves on the landscape, but you won't see WWF out there building wolf proof fencing or supplying guardian dogs to the people there.
You will see them bringing the full force of the law down on someone who takes out a wolf that hangs out where their kids play.
Zealots are a silly breed.